From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: cacook@quantum-sci.com Subject: Xen is Busted Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 15:44:57 -0700 Message-ID: <57180669.9010308@quantum-sci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1737006401==" Return-path: Received: from server14.hostwhitelabel.com (server14--mail.hostwhitelabel.com [192.206.54.114]) by gabe.freedesktop.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4877C6EB78 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 22:44:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.58.41.172] (port=48778 helo=localhost) by server14.hostwhitelabel.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1at0rb-003cX0-W1 for intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 18:44:52 -0400 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: intel-gfx-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org Sender: "Intel-gfx" To: intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org List-Id: intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1737006401== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060506020205010803080008" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060506020205010803080008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No one will just come out and just tell us the truth, so that users can quit wasting our time trying to make your Xen work. Your 4.2 kernel dumps core on i915, and Xen hangs on disk drive ID. Why don't you just take down the Xen half of this whole thing, and stop causing so many people the loss of so much time? It is very costly and frustrating for people to spend weeks to learn and customize a project to try and make it work, when it turns out that the underlying software is utterly broken. Not to mention embarrassing, when we have strongly advocated this approach to our bosses and clients, and it turns out to be snakebit. And on top of that you universally ignore questions on IRC and listserv, probably because you don't want to own up to the actual state of things? What do you people think you're doing all day? You can't, just do an occasional freeze and release a fairly stable point-release so that users can set up and learn about it? You just leave up a busted bunch of haywires, as if you're satisfying your company's requirements? I know, you're still getting paid no matter what. So let's just agree that doing both KVM -and- Xen, is too much for you. And/or that you've put the n00bs on Xen, who have nothing to lose. I implore that you be honest, and take this junk down to just concentrate on KVM. You can't do Xen; you clearly can't even do its drivers. --------------060506020205010803080008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No one will just come out and just tell us the truth, so that users can quit wasting our time trying to make your Xen work.=C2=A0 Your 4.= 2 kernel dumps core on i915, and Xen hangs on disk drive ID.

Why don't you just take down the Xen half of this whole thing, and stop causing so many people the loss of so much time?=C2=A0 It is ver= y costly and frustrating for people to spend weeks to learn and customize a project to try and make it work, when it turns out that the underlying software is utterly broken.=C2=A0 Not to mention embarrassing, when we have strongly advocated this approach to our bosses and clients, and it turns out to be snakebit.

And on top of that you universally ignore questions on IRC and listserv, probably because you don't want to own up to the actual state of things?=C2=A0 What do you people think you're doing all day?= =C2=A0 You can't, just do an occasional freeze and release a fairly stable point-release so that users can set up and learn about it?=C2=A0 You = just leave up a busted bunch of haywires, as if you're satisfying your company's requirements?=C2=A0 I know, you're still getting paid no ma= tter what.

So let's just agree that doing both KVM -and- Xen, is too much for you.=C2=A0 And/or that you've put the n00bs on Xen, who have nothing = to lose.

I implore that you be honest, and take this junk down to just concentrate on KVM.=C2=A0 You can't do Xen;=C2=A0 you clearly can't e= ven do its drivers.

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