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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
To: Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>,
	Sai Praneeth Prakhya <sai.praneeth.prakhya@intel.com>,
	"Ravi V. Shankar" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
	Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/10] x86/xsaves: Fix XSAVES known issues
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 11:09:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5723A353.7060209@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1457038929.git.yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>

Hi Folks,

I've heard through the grapevine that there's some concern that we
should not be bothering to enable XSAVES because there's not a
sufficient use case for it.  Maybe it's meager today, but I still think
we should do it.

I'll try to lay out why.

Today, on every Skylake system, this patch saves 128 bytes in each
task_struct.  If there were an Atom system with XSAVES it would save 384
bytes since there is no AVX support on Atom.  If there were a future
processor which has an xstate _past_ AVX-512, but that does not have
AVX-512 itself, that savings goes up to 2048+384 bytes.  I believe it is
*inevitable* that the savings will become substantial.

Plus, if the processors ever start supporting a supervisor state that we
_need_ in Linux, we have to XSAVES support anyway.

It's inevitable that we _will_ need it.

Why do it today?

Now that Skylake is out, we _can_ get reasonable testing of this feature
from early adopters in the wild.  If we turn this on today, and it
breaks, we break a relatively modest number of Skylake systems (1%? 2%?
0.1%?).  Let's say we wait $X years when the benefits are greater.  We
turn it on, and something breaks.  We'll break 50% (or 40% or whatever)
of the systems in production.

Once we *HAVE* XSAVES support, it also opens up the possibilities for
doing things like dynamic XSAVE buffer allocation.  For instance, let
threads that are not _using_ AVX-512 not waste the 2k of space for it.

So why wait?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-04-29 18:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-04 18:12 [PATCH v4 0/10] x86/xsaves: Fix XSAVES known issues Yu-cheng Yu
2016-03-04 18:12 ` [PATCH v4 01/10] x86/xsaves: Define and use user_xstate_size for xstate size in signal context Yu-cheng Yu
2016-03-04 18:12 ` [PATCH v4 02/10] x86/xsaves: Rename xstate_size to kernel_xstate_size to explicitly distinguish xstate size in kernel from user space Yu-cheng Yu
2016-03-04 18:12 ` [PATCH v4 03/10] x86/xsaves: Keep init_fpstate.xsave.header.xfeatures as zero for init optimization Yu-cheng Yu
2016-03-04 18:12 ` [PATCH v4 04/10] x86/xsaves: Introduce a new check that allows correct xstates copy from kernel to user directly Yu-cheng Yu
2016-04-29 20:09   ` Dave Hansen
2016-04-29 22:43     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-04-30  0:36       ` Dave Hansen
2016-05-02 15:57         ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-05-02 16:06           ` Dave Hansen
2016-05-02 16:34             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-05-02 16:43               ` Dave Hansen
2016-05-02 17:19                 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-05-02 17:33                   ` Dave Hansen
2016-05-02 21:18                     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-05-02 21:24                       ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-05-02 21:32                         ` Dave Hansen
2016-05-02 22:17                           ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-05-02 22:37                             ` Dave Hansen
2016-03-04 18:12 ` [PATCH v4 05/10] x86/xsaves: Align xstate components according to CPUID Yu-cheng Yu
2016-04-29 20:11   ` Dave Hansen
2016-03-04 18:12 ` [PATCH v4 06/10] x86/xsaves: Supervisor state component offset Yu-cheng Yu
2016-03-04 18:12 ` [PATCH v4 07/10] x86/xsaves: Fix PTRACE frames for XSAVES Yu-cheng Yu
2016-04-29 20:16   ` Dave Hansen
2016-04-29 20:38     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-04-29 20:40       ` Dave Hansen
2016-04-29 20:46         ` Borislav Petkov
2016-04-29 20:25   ` Dave Hansen
2016-04-29 22:30     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-04-29 22:36       ` Dave Hansen
2016-04-29 22:38         ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-03-04 18:12 ` [PATCH v4 08/10] x86/xsaves: Fix XSTATE component offset print out Yu-cheng Yu
2016-04-29 20:26   ` Dave Hansen
2016-03-04 18:12 ` [PATCH v4 09/10] x86/xsaves: Fix xstate_offsets, xstate_sizes for legacy components Yu-cheng Yu
2016-04-29 20:28   ` Dave Hansen
2016-04-29 22:07     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-04-29 22:13       ` Dave Hansen
2016-04-29 22:15         ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-03-04 18:12 ` [PATCH v4 10/10] x86/xsaves: Re-enable XSAVES Yu-cheng Yu
2016-04-29 20:32   ` Dave Hansen
2016-04-29 23:12     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-04-30  0:40       ` Dave Hansen
2016-05-02 16:11         ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-05-04 22:15           ` Dave Hansen
2016-05-04 22:21             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-05-04 22:41   ` Dave Hansen
2016-05-04 22:46     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-05-04 22:46     ` Dave Hansen
2016-04-29 18:09 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2016-04-29 19:43   ` [PATCH v4 0/10] x86/xsaves: Fix XSAVES known issues Ingo Molnar
2016-04-29 19:57   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-04-29 20:03     ` Dave Hansen
2016-04-29 20:07       ` Yu-cheng Yu
2016-04-29 20:25         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-29 20:40           ` Dave Hansen
2016-04-29 20:49             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-29 22:42               ` Dave Hansen
2016-04-30  7:53             ` Ingo Molnar
2016-05-02 16:28               ` Dave Hansen
2016-05-02 18:32                 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-04-29 20:37         ` Dave Hansen

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