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From: Mason <slash.tmp@free.fr>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Sebastian Frias <sf84@laposte.net>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: add config option to select the initial overcommit mode
Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 10:44:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <573593EE.6010502@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160513080458.GF20141@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On 13/05/2016 10:04, Michal Hocko wrote:

> On Tue 10-05-16 13:56:30, Sebastian Frias wrote:
> [...]
>> NOTE: I understand that the overcommit mode can be changed dynamically thru
>> sysctl, but on embedded systems, where we know in advance that overcommit
>> will be disabled, there's no reason to postpone such setting.
> 
> To be honest I am not particularly happy about yet another config
> option. At least not without a strong reason (the one above doesn't
> sound that way). The config space is really large already.
> So why a later initialization matters at all? Early userspace shouldn't
> consume too much address space to blow up later, no?

One thing I'm not quite clear on is: why was the default set
to over-commit on?

I suppose the biggest use-case is when a "large" process forks
only to exec microseconds later into a "small" process, it would
be silly to refuse that fork. But isn't that what the COW
optimization addresses, without the need for over-commit?

Another issue with overcommit=on is that some programmers seem
to take for granted that "allocations will never fail" and so
neglect to handle malloc == NULL conditions gracefully.

I tried to run LTP with overcommit off, and I vaguely recall that
I had more failures than with overcommit on. (Perhaps only those
tests that tickle the dreaded OOM assassin.)

Regards.

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From: Mason <slash.tmp@free.fr>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Sebastian Frias <sf84@laposte.net>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: add config option to select the initial overcommit mode
Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 10:44:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <573593EE.6010502@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160513080458.GF20141@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On 13/05/2016 10:04, Michal Hocko wrote:

> On Tue 10-05-16 13:56:30, Sebastian Frias wrote:
> [...]
>> NOTE: I understand that the overcommit mode can be changed dynamically thru
>> sysctl, but on embedded systems, where we know in advance that overcommit
>> will be disabled, there's no reason to postpone such setting.
> 
> To be honest I am not particularly happy about yet another config
> option. At least not without a strong reason (the one above doesn't
> sound that way). The config space is really large already.
> So why a later initialization matters at all? Early userspace shouldn't
> consume too much address space to blow up later, no?

One thing I'm not quite clear on is: why was the default set
to over-commit on?

I suppose the biggest use-case is when a "large" process forks
only to exec microseconds later into a "small" process, it would
be silly to refuse that fork. But isn't that what the COW
optimization addresses, without the need for over-commit?

Another issue with overcommit=on is that some programmers seem
to take for granted that "allocations will never fail" and so
neglect to handle malloc == NULL conditions gracefully.

I tried to run LTP with overcommit off, and I vaguely recall that
I had more failures than with overcommit on. (Perhaps only those
tests that tickle the dreaded OOM assassin.)

Regards.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-13  8:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-10 11:56 [PATCH] mm: add config option to select the initial overcommit mode Sebastian Frias
2016-05-10 11:56 ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-10 12:00 ` Fwd: " Sebastian Frias
2016-05-10 12:39   ` Andy Whitcroft
2016-05-10 13:02     ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13  8:04 ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13  8:04   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13  8:44   ` Mason [this message]
2016-05-13  8:44     ` Mason
2016-05-13  9:52     ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13  9:52       ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 12:00       ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 12:00         ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 12:39         ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 12:39           ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 13:11           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 13:11             ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 13:32             ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 13:32               ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 13:51               ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 13:51                 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 14:35                 ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 14:35                   ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 14:54                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 14:54                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 15:15                   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 15:15                     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 13:34             ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 13:34               ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 14:14               ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 14:14                 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 14:23                 ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 14:23                   ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 15:02                   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 15:02                     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 15:01               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-05-13 15:01                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-05-13 15:15                 ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 15:15                   ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 15:25                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 15:25                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 14:51           ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 14:51             ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 14:59             ` Mason
2016-05-13 14:59               ` Mason
2016-05-13 15:11               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-05-13 15:11                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-05-13 15:26                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 15:26                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 15:32                 ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 15:32                   ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 15:10             ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 15:10               ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 15:41               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-05-13 15:41                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-05-23 13:11                 ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-23 13:11                   ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13  9:52     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13  9:52       ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 10:18       ` Mason
2016-05-13 10:18         ` Mason
2016-05-13 10:42         ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 10:42           ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 11:44         ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 11:44           ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 12:15           ` Mason
2016-05-13 12:15             ` Mason
2016-05-13 14:01             ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 14:01               ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 14:15               ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 14:15                 ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 15:04               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-05-13 15:04                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-05-13 15:37                 ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 15:37                   ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-13 15:43                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-05-13 15:43                     ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-05-17  8:24                     ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-17  8:24                       ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-17  8:57                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-17  8:57                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-17 16:16                         ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-17 16:16                           ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-17 17:29                           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-17 17:29                             ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-18 15:19                             ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-18 15:19                               ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-18 16:28                               ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-18 16:28                                 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-17 20:16                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-17 20:16                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-18 15:18                             ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-18 15:18                               ` Sebastian Frias
2016-05-19  7:14                               ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-19  7:14                                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-13 17:01                   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 17:01                     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 13:27         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-13 13:27           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-05-17  9:03 ` Mason
2016-05-17  9:03   ` Mason

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