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From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
To: "Yigit, Ferruh" <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>,
	"Trahe, Fiona" <fiona.trahe@intel.com>
Cc: "Coyle, David" <david.coyle@intel.com>,
	"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	"Doherty, Declan" <declan.doherty@intel.com>,
	"De Lara Guarch, Pablo" <pablo.de.lara.guarch@intel.com>,
	"Ryan, Brendan" <brendan.ryan@intel.com>,
	"shreyansh.jain@nxp.com" <shreyansh.jain@nxp.com>,
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	"akhil.goyal@nxp.com" <akhil.goyal@nxp.com>,
	Anoob Joseph <anoobj@marvell.com>,
	Ruifeng Wang <ruifeng.wang@arm.com>,
	Liron Himi <lironh@marvell.com>,
	Nagadheeraj Rottela <rnagadheeraj@marvell.com>,
	Srikanth Jampala <jsrikanth@marvell.com>,
	Gagandeep Singh <g.singh@nxp.com>,
	Jay Zhou <jianjay.zhou@huawei.com>,
	Ravi Kumar <ravi1.kumar@amd.com>,
	"Richardson, Bruce" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>,
	"Trahe, Fiona" <fiona.trahe@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/4] add AESNI-MB rawdev for multi-function processing
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:24:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5745012.CvnuH1ECHv@thomas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR11MB2880F52E69A56790B81AC924E4DA0@SN6PR11MB2880.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

14/04/2020 15:04, Trahe, Fiona:
> > 14/04/2020 12:21, Ferruh Yigit:
> > http://inbox.dpdk.org/dev/MN2PR11MB35507D4B96677A41E66440C5E3C30@MN2PR11MB3550.na
> > mprd11.prod.outlook.com/
> > 
> > I am not convinced.
> > I don't like rawdev in general.
> > Rawdev is good only for hardware support which cannot be generic
> > like SoC, FPGA management or DMA engine.
> 
> [Fiona] CRC and BIP are not crypto algorithms, they are error detection processes.
> So there is no class in DPDK that these readily fit into.
> There was resistance to adding another xxxddev, and even if one had been added
> for error_detection_dev, there would still have been another layer needed
> to couple this with cryptodev. Various proposals for this have been discussed on the ML
> in RFC and recent patches, there doesn't seem to be an appetite for this as a generic API. 
> So it seems that only Intel has software and hardware engines that provide this
> specialised feature coupling. In that case rawdev seems like the most
> appropriate vehicle to expose this.

Adding some vendor-specific API is not a good answer.
It will work in some cases, but it won't make DPDK better.
What's the purpose of DPDK if it's not solving a common problem
for different hardware?

> > Here the intent is to use rawdev because we don't find a good API.
> > API defeat is a no-go.
> 
> [Fiona] It's not that we haven't found a good API, but that there doesn't seem
> to be a general requirement for such a specialised API

There is a requirement to combine features of different classes.
In the past, rte_security was an "answer" to this issue with crypto and ethdev.
This is a real topic, please let's find a generic elegant solution.



  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-14 13:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-10 14:27 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/4] add AESNI-MB rawdev for multi-function processing David Coyle
2020-04-10 14:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/4] raw/common: add multi-function interface David Coyle
2020-04-10 14:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/4] raw/aesni_mb_mfn: add aesni_mb_mfn raw device PMD David Coyle
2020-04-10 14:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/4] test/rawdev: add aesni_mb_mfn raw device tests David Coyle
2020-04-10 14:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 4/4] doc: update docs for aesni_mb_mfn raw device PMD David Coyle
2020-04-10 22:55 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/4] add AESNI-MB rawdev for multi-function processing Thomas Monjalon
2020-04-14 10:21   ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-04-14 10:32     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-04-14 13:04       ` Trahe, Fiona
2020-04-14 13:24         ` Thomas Monjalon [this message]
2020-04-14 14:02           ` Trahe, Fiona
2020-04-14 14:44             ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-04-15 22:19               ` Doherty, Declan
2020-04-15 22:33                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-04-21 16:46                   ` Doherty, Declan
2020-04-21 17:23                     ` Coyle, David
2020-04-22 10:51                       ` Akhil Goyal
2020-04-22 13:17                         ` Coyle, David
2020-04-22 13:44                           ` Akhil Goyal
2020-04-22 14:21                             ` Coyle, David
2020-05-01 13:18                             ` Zhang, Roy Fan
2020-05-12 17:32                               ` Coyle, David
2020-04-22 14:01                       ` Kevin Traynor
2020-04-22 14:41                         ` Coyle, David
2020-04-21 17:25                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-04-21 18:37                       ` Coyle, David
2020-04-21 21:51                         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-06-04 15:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/3] add support for DOCSIS protocol to security library David Coyle
2020-06-04 15:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/3] security: add support for DOCSIS protocol David Coyle
2020-06-04 15:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/3] cryptodev: add security operation to crypto operation David Coyle
2020-06-09 13:23     ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2020-06-09 13:50       ` Coyle, David
2020-06-10 10:40         ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2020-06-10 12:02           ` Coyle, David
2020-06-11 12:21             ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2020-06-11 14:01               ` Coyle, David
2020-06-23 18:38               ` Akhil Goyal
2020-06-24 14:11                 ` Coyle, David
2020-06-04 15:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 3/3] crypto/aesni_mb: add support for DOCSIS protocol David Coyle
2020-06-23 10:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/6] " David Coyle
2020-06-23 10:14     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/6] cryptodev: add security operation to crypto operation David Coyle
2020-06-23 10:14     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/6] security: add support for DOCSIS protocol David Coyle
2020-06-23 17:29       ` De Lara Guarch, Pablo
2020-06-26 15:15         ` Coyle, David
2020-06-23 18:06       ` Akhil Goyal
2020-06-24 14:25         ` Coyle, David
2020-06-23 10:14     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 3/6] crypto/aesni_mb: " David Coyle
2020-06-23 17:57       ` De Lara Guarch, Pablo
2020-06-26 15:13         ` Coyle, David
2020-06-23 10:14     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 4/6] crypto/qat: " David Coyle
2020-06-23 10:14     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 5/6] test/crypto: add DOCSIS security test cases David Coyle
2020-06-23 18:04       ` De Lara Guarch, Pablo
2020-06-26 15:14         ` Coyle, David
2020-06-23 10:14     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 6/6] test/security: add DOCSIS capability check tests David Coyle
2020-06-23 14:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/6] add support for DOCSIS protocol David Marchand
2020-06-23 15:18       ` Coyle, David
2020-06-23 15:38         ` David Marchand
2020-06-23 15:56           ` Coyle, David
2020-06-23 16:22             ` David Marchand
2020-06-23 16:27               ` Coyle, David
2020-06-30 16:30     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/8] " David Coyle
2020-06-30 16:30       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/8] security: " David Coyle
2020-07-01 21:41         ` Akhil Goyal
2020-06-30 16:30       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/8] cryptodev: add a note regarding DOCSIS protocol support David Coyle
2020-07-01 21:42         ` Akhil Goyal
2020-06-30 16:30       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/8] crypto/aesni_mb: add support for DOCSIS protocol David Coyle
2020-07-01 17:04         ` Coyle, David
2020-06-30 16:30       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 4/8] crypto/qat: " David Coyle
2020-07-01 17:04         ` Coyle, David
2020-06-30 16:30       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 5/8] test/crypto: add DOCSIS security test cases David Coyle
2020-07-01 21:43         ` Akhil Goyal
2020-06-30 16:30       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 6/8] test/security: add DOCSIS capability check tests David Coyle
2020-06-30 16:30       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 7/8] app/crypto-perf: add support for DOCSIS protocol David Coyle
2020-07-01 21:44         ` Akhil Goyal
2020-06-30 16:30       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 8/8] doc: add doc updates for DOCSIS security protocol David Coyle
2020-06-30 18:33         ` Akhil Goyal
2020-07-01 17:03           ` Coyle, David
2020-07-03 12:39       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/7] add support for DOCSIS protocol David Coyle
2020-07-03 12:39         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/7] security: " David Coyle
2020-07-03 17:50           ` De Lara Guarch, Pablo
2020-07-03 12:39         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/7] cryptodev: add a note regarding DOCSIS protocol support David Coyle
2020-07-03 17:56           ` De Lara Guarch, Pablo
2020-07-03 12:39         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 3/7] crypto/aesni_mb: add support for DOCSIS protocol David Coyle
2020-07-03 17:56           ` De Lara Guarch, Pablo
2020-07-04 19:55           ` Akhil Goyal
2020-07-03 12:39         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 4/7] crypto/qat: " David Coyle
2020-07-03 12:39         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 5/7] test/crypto: add DOCSIS security test cases David Coyle
2020-07-03 17:56           ` De Lara Guarch, Pablo
2020-07-03 12:39         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 6/7] test/security: add DOCSIS capability check tests David Coyle
2020-07-03 12:39         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 7/7] app/crypto-perf: add support for DOCSIS protocol David Coyle
2020-07-03 17:57           ` De Lara Guarch, Pablo
2020-07-04 19:54         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/7] " Akhil Goyal

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