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From: Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>
Cc: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/6] x86/time: streamline platform time init on plt_update()
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 13:10:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <57C577B9.4020002@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <57C41F750200007800109B5F@prv-mh.provo.novell.com>

On 08/29/2016 10:41 AM, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 26.08.16 at 17:12, <joao.m.martins@oracle.com> wrote:
>> On 08/25/2016 11:13 AM, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>> On 24.08.16 at 14:43, <joao.m.martins@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>> And use to initialize platform time solely for clocksource=tsc,
>>>> as opposed to initializing platform overflow timer, which would
>>>> only fire in ~180 years (on 2.2 Ghz Broadwell processor).
>>>
>>> Do we really want to risk this time period going down by two orders
>>> of magnitude? Is there anything that's really expensive in setting the
>>> overflow timer in the far distant future?
>> It wasn't about cost but rather setting the timer in a so distant future. I could
>> decrease to an year time, month or day. But do you think we really need that overflow
>> handling for TSC?
> 
> I think we shouldn't introduce latent issues, no matter how unlikely
> we may deem it for them to actually become active ones. Just
> consider how unlikely it would have seemed to someone in the
> i586 days (when the TSC got introduced) that clock speeds might
> ever cross the 4GHz boundary. As a consequence long ago Linux
> did use a 32-bit variable for it. It got noticed early enough before
> processors got really close to that boundary, but it demonstrates
> the fundamental issue. And yes, processor speeds have stopped
> to always grow (at least in the x86 space), but that's not a rule
> set in stone.

Thanks for the insight.

What would be a preferred period - probably capping it to a day/hour/minutes? Or
keeping the current calculated value? Maximum right now in current platform timers
are few minutes depending on the HPET frequency.

Joao

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-30 12:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-24 12:43 [PATCH v3 0/6] x86/time: PVCLOCK_TSC_STABLE_BIT support Joao Martins
2016-08-24 12:43 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] x86/time: refactor init_platform_time() Joao Martins
2016-08-25 10:03   ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-26 14:54     ` Joao Martins
2016-08-24 12:43 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] x86/time: implement tsc as clocksource Joao Martins
2016-08-25 10:06   ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-26 15:11     ` Joao Martins
2016-08-29  9:36       ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-30 12:08         ` Joao Martins
2016-08-30 12:30           ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-30 13:59             ` Joao Martins
2016-08-24 12:43 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] x86/time: streamline platform time init on plt_update() Joao Martins
2016-08-25 10:13   ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-26 15:12     ` Joao Martins
2016-08-29  9:41       ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-30 12:10         ` Joao Martins [this message]
2016-08-30 12:31           ` Jan Beulich
2016-09-09 16:32             ` Joao Martins
2016-09-12  7:26               ` Jan Beulich
2016-09-12 10:35                 ` Joao Martins
2016-08-24 12:43 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] x86/time: refactor read_platform_stime() Joao Martins
2016-08-25 10:17   ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-26 15:13     ` Joao Martins
2016-08-29  9:42       ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-24 12:43 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] x86/time: implement PVCLOCK_TSC_STABLE_BIT Joao Martins
2016-08-25 10:37   ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-26 15:44     ` Joao Martins
2016-08-29 10:06       ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-30 12:26         ` Joao Martins
2016-08-30 12:45           ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-30 14:14             ` Joao Martins
2016-08-24 12:43 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] docs: update clocksource option Joao Martins
2016-08-25 10:38   ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-26 15:13     ` Joao Martins
2016-08-24 12:50 ` [PATCH v3 0/6] x86/time: PVCLOCK_TSC_STABLE_BIT support Joao Martins

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