From: Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>, Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
"ltsi-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
<ltsi-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
"gregkh@linuxfoundation.org" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [Stable kernel] feature backporting collaboration
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 10:06:22 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <57D19A8E.70206@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160907184403.GA3950@sirena.org.uk>
On 09/07/16 11:44, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 07, 2016 at 10:41:08AM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote:
>
>> consumer space in this area. Consumer space folks seem to be in a
>> situation that server space people have been in 2.0 / 2.2 era, where we
>> had exactly the same problem with server hardware (i.e lack of timely
>> focus on upstream in the process).
>
> As people keep saying that's not really entirely it - the timescales on
> consumer hardware are *much* tighter than those on server hardware which
> does make a big difference to what you can do here.
You might be surprised about server hardware. I had a project where I
had to add kernel support (in a proprietary unix) to a release that
shipped before there was any hardware to test on.
>> Also, it feels like consumer HW is more in a "fire and forget" mode of
>> operation, while server hardware usually sticks around for a rather long
>> time.
>
> This is part of it. There *is* a long tail lifespan for a lot of
> consumer hardware but it is in the lower tier vendors and products who
> are for the most part reusing earlier work and we do see a lot of IP
> reuse though.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-09-08 17:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-09-01 2:01 [Ksummit-discuss] [Stable kernel] feature backporting collaboration Alex Shi
2016-09-02 1:25 ` Levin, Alexander
2016-09-02 2:43 ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-09-02 9:59 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-02 9:54 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-02 10:16 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [LTSI-dev] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-09-02 14:42 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " James Bottomley
2016-09-02 14:55 ` Rik van Riel
2016-09-02 15:04 ` James Bottomley
2016-09-02 15:39 ` Rik van Riel
2016-09-02 17:06 ` Bird, Timothy
2016-09-05 1:45 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-05 11:04 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-05 22:44 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-06 0:57 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06 5:41 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-08 18:33 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [LTSI-dev] " Bird, Timothy
2016-09-08 22:38 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-09 11:01 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-09 22:17 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-12 17:37 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-13 7:46 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-13 17:53 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-02 18:21 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Olof Johansson
2016-09-02 23:35 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-03 5:29 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-09-03 10:40 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-04 0:10 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-04 8:34 ` gregkh
2016-09-04 22:58 ` Amit Kucheria
2016-09-04 23:51 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-05 12:58 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-05 11:11 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-05 14:03 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-05 14:22 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-09-06 0:35 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06 15:30 ` James Bottomley
2016-09-06 19:44 ` gregkh
2016-09-06 22:20 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06 22:34 ` James Bottomley
2016-09-08 18:55 ` Bird, Timothy
2016-09-08 19:19 ` gregkh
2016-09-09 10:45 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-09 11:03 ` gregkh
2016-09-09 11:48 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06 23:23 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06 13:34 ` Catalin Marinas
2016-09-06 16:24 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2016-09-06 16:25 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-09-06 22:39 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-07 8:33 ` Jan Kara
2016-09-07 8:41 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-09-07 18:44 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-08 17:06 ` Frank Rowand [this message]
2016-09-09 10:32 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-09 15:21 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-12 15:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-06 16:46 ` Olof Johansson
2016-09-08 8:34 ` Linus Walleij
2016-09-08 8:55 ` Vinod Koul
2016-09-09 14:32 ` Rob Herring
2016-09-09 14:23 ` Rob Herring
[not found] ` <2181684.5VzIQ6DWv4@amdc1976>
2016-09-07 9:32 ` Catalin Marinas
2016-09-07 13:07 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2016-09-07 18:49 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-09 15:06 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-02 23:29 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-02 19:16 ` Levin, Alexander
2016-09-03 0:05 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-05 9:28 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-09-21 6:58 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-21 9:23 ` gregkh
2016-09-21 14:52 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-21 15:28 ` gregkh
2016-09-21 18:50 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-22 3:15 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-21 18:22 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-21 18:54 ` Linus Walleij
2016-09-21 19:52 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-22 0:43 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-22 5:20 ` gregkh
2016-09-22 12:56 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-09-22 16:22 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-22 22:14 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-23 12:28 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-09-23 13:27 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [LTSI-dev] " Alex Shi
2016-09-23 13:40 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-09-23 14:40 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Mark Brown
2016-09-21 13:56 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-21 15:23 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-21 15:33 ` gregkh
2016-09-21 19:16 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-02 13:47 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-02 19:31 ` Levin, Alexander
2016-09-02 19:42 ` gregkh
2016-09-02 20:06 ` Levin, Alexander
2016-09-03 2:04 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-06 7:20 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [LTSI-dev] " Tsugikazu Shibata
2016-09-10 12:00 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-12 16:27 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-12 17:14 ` Greg KH
2016-09-12 23:45 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-13 3:14 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-13 10:14 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-13 13:19 ` Levin, Alexander
2016-09-13 6:19 ` Greg KH
2016-09-13 10:38 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-13 12:09 ` Greg KH
2016-09-13 12:20 ` Josh Boyer
2016-09-13 13:12 ` Greg KH
2016-09-13 16:23 ` Bird, Timothy
2016-09-13 19:02 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-14 14:47 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-20 5:15 ` Tsugikazu Shibata
2016-09-21 8:46 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-13 12:25 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-09-13 19:21 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-14 1:49 ` Greg KH
2016-09-14 3:00 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-09-12 4:12 ` Alex Shi
2016-09-12 16:09 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2016-09-13 2:39 ` Alex Shi
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