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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Xiao Guangrong <guangrong.xiao@linux.intel.com>,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	dan.j.williams@intel.com, gleb@kernel.org, mtosatti@redhat.com,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	stefanha@redhat.com, yuhuang@redhat.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mm, proc: Fix region lost in /proc/self/smaps
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:21:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <57D8277E.80505@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160913145906.GA28037@redhat.com>

On 09/13/2016 07:59 AM, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 09/12, Michal Hocko wrote:
>> > Considering how this all can be tricky and how partial reads can be
>> > confusing and even misleading I am really wondering whether we
>> > should simply document that only full reads will provide a sensible
>> > results.
> I agree. I don't even understand why this was considered as a bug.
> Obviously, m_stop() which drops mmap_sep should not be called, or
> all the threads should be stopped, if you want to trust the result.

There was a mapping at a given address.  That mapping did not change, it
was not split, its attributes did not change.  But, it didn't show up
when reading smaps.  Folks _actually_ noticed this in a test suite
looking for that address range in smaps.

IOW, we had goofy kernel behavior, and it broke a reasonable test
program.  The test program just used fgets() to read into a fixed-length
buffer, which is a completely normal thing to do.

To get "sensible results", doesn't userspace have to somehow know in
advance how many bytes of data a given VMA will generate in smaps output?

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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Xiao Guangrong <guangrong.xiao@linux.intel.com>,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	dan.j.williams@intel.com, gleb@kernel.org, mtosatti@redhat.com,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	stefanha@redhat.com, yuhuang@redhat.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mm, proc: Fix region lost in /proc/self/smaps
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:21:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <57D8277E.80505@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160913145906.GA28037@redhat.com>

On 09/13/2016 07:59 AM, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 09/12, Michal Hocko wrote:
>> > Considering how this all can be tricky and how partial reads can be
>> > confusing and even misleading I am really wondering whether we
>> > should simply document that only full reads will provide a sensible
>> > results.
> I agree. I don't even understand why this was considered as a bug.
> Obviously, m_stop() which drops mmap_sep should not be called, or
> all the threads should be stopped, if you want to trust the result.

There was a mapping at a given address.  That mapping did not change, it
was not split, its attributes did not change.  But, it didn't show up
when reading smaps.  Folks _actually_ noticed this in a test suite
looking for that address range in smaps.

IOW, we had goofy kernel behavior, and it broke a reasonable test
program.  The test program just used fgets() to read into a fixed-length
buffer, which is a completely normal thing to do.

To get "sensible results", doesn't userspace have to somehow know in
advance how many bytes of data a given VMA will generate in smaps output?

  reply	other threads:[~2016-09-13 16:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-12  3:12 [PATCH v2] mm, proc: Fix region lost in /proc/self/smaps Xiao Guangrong
2016-09-12  3:12 ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-09-12 12:54 ` Michal Hocko
2016-09-12 12:54   ` Michal Hocko
2016-09-12 15:01   ` Dave Hansen
2016-09-12 15:01     ` Dave Hansen
2016-09-12 19:10     ` Michal Hocko
2016-09-12 19:10       ` Michal Hocko
2016-09-13  3:01       ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-09-13  3:01         ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-09-13 14:59       ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-09-13 14:59         ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-09-13 16:21         ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2016-09-13 16:21           ` Dave Hansen
2016-09-14 15:38           ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-09-14 15:38             ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-09-19  7:21             ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-09-19  7:21               ` Xiao Guangrong

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