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From: Sai Gurrappadi <sgurrappadi@nvidia.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Srinivas Pandruvada <srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Boonstoppel <pboonstoppel@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency of busy CPUs prematurely
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 18:14:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <58D5C47A.4060305@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2997922.DidfPadJuT@aspire.rjw.lan>

Hi Rafael,

On 03/21/2017 04:08 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> From: Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>
> 
> The way the schedutil governor uses the PELT metric causes it to
> underestimate the CPU utilization in some cases.
> 
> That can be easily demonstrated by running kernel compilation on
> a Sandy Bridge Intel processor, running turbostat in parallel with
> it and looking at the values written to the MSR_IA32_PERF_CTL
> register.  Namely, the expected result would be that when all CPUs
> were 100% busy, all of them would be requested to run in the maximum
> P-state, but observation shows that this clearly isn't the case.
> The CPUs run in the maximum P-state for a while and then are
> requested to run slower and go back to the maximum P-state after
> a while again.  That causes the actual frequency of the processor to
> visibly oscillate below the sustainable maximum in a jittery fashion
> which clearly is not desirable.
> 
> That has been attributed to CPU utilization metric updates on task
> migration that cause the total utilization value for the CPU to be
> reduced by the utilization of the migrated task.  If that happens,
> the schedutil governor may see a CPU utilization reduction and will
> attempt to reduce the CPU frequency accordingly right away.  That
> may be premature, though, for example if the system is generally
> busy and there are other runnable tasks waiting to be run on that
> CPU already.
> 

Thinking out loud a bit, I wonder if what you really want to do is basically:

schedutil_cpu_util(cpu) = max(cpu_rq(cpu)->cfs.util_avg, total_cpu_util_avg);

Where total_cpu_util_avg tracks the average utilization of the CPU itself over time (% of time the CPU was busy) in the same PELT like manner. The difference here is that it doesn't change instantaneously as tasks migrate in/out but it decays/accumulates just like the per-entity util_avgs.

Over time, total_cpu_util_avg and cfs_rq(cpu)->util_avg will tend towards each other the lesser the amount of 'overlap' / overloading.

Yes, the above metric would 'overestimate' in case all tasks have migrated away and we are left with an idle CPU. A fix for that could be to just use the PELT value like so:

schedutil_cpu_util(cpu) = max(cpu_rq(cpu)->cfs.util_avg, idle_cpu(cpu) ? 0 : total_cpu_util_avg);

Note that the problem described here in the commit message doesn't need fully runnable threads, it just needs two threads to execute in parallel on the same CPU for a period of time. I don't think looking at just idle_calls necessarily covers all cases.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
-Sai

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-25  1:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-19 13:21 [PATCH 0/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Fix and optimization Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-19 13:30 ` [PATCH 1/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Fix per-CPU structure initialization in sugov_start() Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-20  3:28   ` Viresh Kumar
2017-03-20 12:36     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-19 13:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-19 21:24   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-19 21:42     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-20 10:38     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-20 12:31       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-20  3:57   ` Viresh Kumar
2017-03-20  8:26     ` Vincent Guittot
2017-03-20 12:34       ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-22 23:56         ` Joel Fernandes
2017-03-23 22:08           ` Vincent Guittot
2017-03-25  3:48             ` Joel Fernandes
2017-03-27  6:59               ` Vincent Guittot
2017-03-20 12:59       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-20 13:20         ` Vincent Guittot
2017-03-20 12:48     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-20 10:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-20 12:35     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-20 12:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-20 13:04         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-20 13:06         ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-20 13:05           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-20 14:13             ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-20 21:46   ` [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing frequency of " Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-21  6:40     ` Viresh Kumar
2017-03-21 12:30       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-21  8:50     ` Vincent Guittot
2017-03-21 11:56       ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-21 13:22       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-21 13:37         ` Vincent Guittot
2017-03-21 14:03           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-21 14:18             ` Vincent Guittot
2017-03-21 14:25             ` Patrick Bellasi
     [not found]             ` <CAKfTPtALorn7HNpz4LOfWWSc3u+9y5iHB5byzfTHGQXDA+tVJQ@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-21 14:58               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-21 17:00                 ` Vincent Guittot
2017-03-21 17:01                   ` Vincent Guittot
2017-03-21 14:26           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-21 14:38             ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-21 14:46               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-21 14:50                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-21 15:04                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-21 15:18                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-21 17:00                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-21 17:17                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-21 15:08                 ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-21 15:18                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-21 19:28                     ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-21 15:02             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-21 11:50     ` Patrick Bellasi
2017-03-21 23:08     ` [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency of busy CPUs prematurely Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-22  9:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-22  9:54       ` Viresh Kumar
2017-03-23  1:04       ` Joel Fernandes
2017-03-23 19:26       ` Sai Gurrappadi
2017-03-23 20:48         ` Sai Gurrappadi
2017-03-24  1:39         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-24 19:08           ` Sai Gurrappadi
2017-03-25  1:14       ` Sai Gurrappadi [this message]
2017-03-25  1:39         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-03-27  7:04         ` Vincent Guittot
2017-03-27 21:01           ` Sai Gurrappadi
2017-03-27 21:11             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-05-08  3:49       ` Wanpeng Li
2017-05-08  4:01         ` Viresh Kumar
2017-05-08  5:15           ` Wanpeng Li
2017-05-08 22:16           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-05-08 22:36             ` Wanpeng Li
2017-05-08 23:01               ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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