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From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: Sergey Organov <sorganov@gmail.com>, Martin <git@mfriebe.de>
Cc: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: PATCH: improve git switch documentation
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 15:12:52 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <60e9ff4430c57_7ef20815@natae.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a6mudt9b.fsf@osv.gnss.ru>

Sergey Organov wrote:
> Martin <git@mfriebe.de> writes:
> 
> > On 10/07/2021 12:24, Sergey Organov wrote:
> >> Martin <git@mfriebe.de> writes:
> >>> Actually, "new" or "create" would make sense in "git branch". But in
> >>> git switch, they actually raise the question "create what?" / "new
> >>> what?".
> >> I believe that's because "git switch" tries to do too much. "git switch"
> >> should rather switch between existing branches, and do nothing else. As
> >> I said once in this discussion already: trouble writing good
> >> documentation is often indication of some flaws in the design.
> >> Creating (a branch) is fundamentally different operation than switching
> >> to (a branch), and that's why the former doesn't fit into "git switch".
> >> 
> >
> > Right, yes. But creating a branch is often followed by switching to it.
> 
> Yep, but here the creation is the primary operation, not switching, so
> putting this into "git switch" looks like design flaw. These 2 actions
> are fine to co-exist in "git branch" = "whatever you want to do to
> branches", but not in "git switch" == "wherever you want to switch".

I don't see the logic in here.

  git branch topic # here 'branch' is the verb
  git switch topic # here 'switch' is the verb

Now, if you want to do both at the same time the logical options are:

  git branch --switch topic # here '--switch' is an adverb
  git switch --new topic # here '--new' is an adverb

The former reads like gibberish to me: "git, branch off in a 'switch'
way".

The latter makes perfect sense: "git, switch to a branch in a 'new' way".

> Logically, there could be something like "git new" that does create a
> branch and then switches there by default, or something like that, say:
> 
>    git new feature3 --at origin/rc-2 --track

Here the the verb is clear, but not the direct object, a "new" what?
Couldn't it be a tag? Or a commit? Or a remote? Or a worktree? Or a
bisect? Or a submodule?

It's too ambigous.

> And while we are at it, do you guys notice how 2 concepts are mixed in
> Git commands? I mean, the interface seems to mix object-oriented and
> action-oriented commands, most of commands being action-oriented with
> only a few unfortunate exceptions.
> 
> Let me try a short survey:
> 
> 1. In
> 
>   git branch ...
> 
> is "branch" a noun or a verb?

Both.

> 2. In
> 
>   git merge ...
> 
> is "merge" a noun or a verb?

Verb.

> To me, while the latter is obvious, it's verb and specifies the action
> to be performed, the former looks more like "whatever you want to do
> with branches", and thus the "branch" is a noun there and the command
> thus is object-oriented.

I agree, and I did have indeed noticed the inconsistency. But there's
another category of commands that receive subcommands, like:

  git remote $subcommand
  git worktree $subcommand
  git bisect $subcommand

In my opinion `git branch` fits more these subcommand commands, and it
was a mistake to make the subcommands options, it should be:

  git branch list
  git branch new
  git branch set-upstream
  git branch move
  ...

Now the verb is crystal-clear.

-- 
Felipe Contreras

  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-10 20:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-29 15:28 PATCH: improve git switch documentation Martin
2021-06-29 16:35 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-29 19:04   ` Martin
2021-06-29 22:39     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-30  8:50       ` Martin
2021-06-30 22:59         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-07-01 10:06           ` Martin
2021-07-01 11:27             ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-07 18:34               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-07 20:46                 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-07 21:25                   ` What actually is a branch? Felipe Contreras
2021-07-07 22:07                     ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-07 22:35                       ` Martin
2021-07-08  3:39                         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-08 10:15                           ` Martin
2021-07-08 17:33                             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-08 19:21                               ` Martin
2021-07-08 20:37                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-08 23:11                                   ` Martin
2021-07-09  0:45                                     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 13:24                                       ` Martin
2021-07-09 15:08                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 15:23                                           ` switch requires --detach [[Re: What actually is a branch]] Martin
2021-07-09 16:21                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 16:38                                               ` Randall S. Becker
2021-07-09 17:10                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 16:54                                               ` Martin
2021-07-10 10:08                                             ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-10 19:18                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 14:29                                       ` PATCH: improve git switch documentation Martin
2021-07-09 16:10                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 16:51                                           ` Martin
2021-07-09 17:41                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-09 18:23                                               ` Martin
2021-07-10 19:45                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-10 20:07                                                   ` Martin
2021-07-10 20:49                                                     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-10 22:13                                                       ` Martin
2021-07-10 23:35                                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-11  9:10                                                           ` Martin
2021-07-11  9:30                                                             ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-12 16:28                                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-12 16:33                                                               ` Martin
2021-07-12 16:58                                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-12 17:52                                                                   ` Martin
2021-07-12 19:08                                                                     ` Felipe Contreras
     [not found]                                                                       ` <3a84e4c9-4e48-1cbe-4fe6-150ff56c8508@mfriebe.de>
     [not found]                                                                         ` <60ecbe577a086_a6b702082@natae.notmuch>
2021-07-13 10:42                                                                           ` Martin
2021-07-13 16:02                                                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-16 18:12                                                                               ` Martin
2021-07-16 18:31                                                                               ` Martin
2021-07-16 18:56                                                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-17  7:02                                                                                   ` Martin
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <1997ca3b-117a-e19a-0dee-7342a2f1a0e7@mfriebe.de>
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <60f1f4c3dd8b1_14cb208c1@natae.notmuch>
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <fedbfe1f-9e6d-f46f-ca41-e176a30e938c@mfriebe.de>
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <60f22aaa6a4f1_1f602081b@natae.notmuch>
2021-07-17 10:07                                                                                           ` Martin
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <60f33f8a7c39b_507220823@natae.notmuch>
2021-07-17 21:23                                                                                               ` Martin
2021-07-19 17:51                                                                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-11  7:57                                                         ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-11  9:27                                                           ` Martin
2021-07-11  9:37                                                             ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-11 10:24                                                               ` Martin
2021-07-12 16:34                                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-10 22:13                                                       ` Naming the --forec option [[Re: PATCH: improve git switch documentation]] Martin
2021-07-10 23:18                                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-11  0:39                                                           ` Martin
2021-07-12 16:15                                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-10 10:24                                             ` PATCH: improve git switch documentation Sergey Organov
2021-07-10 10:37                                               ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-07-10 11:05                                               ` Martin
2021-07-10 16:32                                                 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-10 20:12                                                   ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2021-07-11  9:04                                                     ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-11 10:05                                                       ` Martin
2021-07-11 12:23                                                         ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-11 13:39                                                           ` Martin
2021-07-11 14:49                                                             ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-11 16:51                                                             ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-12 10:31                                                               ` Kerry, Richard
2021-07-12 11:11                                                                 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-12 16:55                                                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-12 16:24                                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-12 16:39                                                         ` Martin
2021-07-12 17:09                                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-12 22:58                                                         ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-12 23:36                                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-13 11:20                                                           ` Martin
2021-07-10 20:00                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-10 19:51                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-11  9:52                                                 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-12 16:44                                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-13 10:57                                                     ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-13 16:10                                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-14 19:14                                                         ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-14 19:51                                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-14 20:42                                                             ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-08  3:12                       ` What actually is a branch? Felipe Contreras
2021-07-08 11:16                         ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-08 18:05                           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-01 14:58             ` PATCH: improve git switch documentation Junio C Hamano
2021-07-01 17:29               ` Martin
2021-07-01 17:46                 ` Sergey Organov
2021-07-07 18:54                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-07 18:47               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-07 18:14             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-01  0:06         ` Matt Rogers

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