From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>, Qu Wenruo <wqu@suse.com>,
linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, djwong@kernel.org,
linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
martin.petersen@oracle.com, jack@suse.com
Subject: Re: O_DIRECT vs BLK_FEAT_STABLE_WRITES, was Re: [PATCH] btrfs: never trust the bio from direct IO
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2025 11:37:57 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <750cfcac-e048-4fee-bba9-6e84edb7bbe0@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <rlu3rbmpktq5f3vgex3zlfjhivyohkhr5whpdmv3lscsgcjs7r@4zqutcey7kib>
On 21.10.25 11:22, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Tue 21-10-25 00:49:49, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2025 at 09:00:50PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>> Just FYI, because it might be interesting in this context.
>>>
>>> For anonymous memory we have this working by only writing the folio out if
>>> it is completely unmapped and there are no unexpected folio references/pins
>>> (see pageout()), and only allowing to write to such a folio ("reuse") if
>>> SWP_STABLE_WRITES is not set (see do_swap_page()).
>>>
>>> So once we start writeback the folio has no writable page table mappings
>>> (unmapped) and no GUP pins. Consequently, when trying to write to it we can
>>> just fallback to creating a page copy without causing trouble with GUP pins.
>>
>> Yeah. But anonymous is the easy case, the pain is direct I/O to file
>> mappings. Mapping the right answer is to just fail pinning them and fall
>> back to (dontcache) buffered I/O.
>
> I agree file mappings are more painful but we can also have interesting
> cases with anon pages:
>
> P - anon page
>
> Thread 1 Thread 2
> setup DIO read to P setup DIO write from P
Ah, I was talking about the interaction between GUP and having
BLK_FEAT_STABLE_WRITES set on the swap backend.
I guess what you mean here is: GUP from/to anon pages to/from a device
that has BLK_FEAT_STABLE_WRITES?
So while we are writing to the device using the anon page as a source,
the anon page will get modified.
I did not expect that to trigger checksum failures, but I can see the
problem now.
--
Cheers
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-21 9:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-20 9:19 [PATCH] btrfs: never trust the bio from direct IO Qu Wenruo
2025-10-20 10:00 ` O_DIRECT vs BLK_FEAT_STABLE_WRITES, was " Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-20 10:24 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-10-20 11:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-20 11:16 ` Jan Kara
2025-10-20 11:44 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-20 13:59 ` Jan Kara
2025-10-20 14:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-10-20 15:58 ` Jan Kara
2025-10-20 17:55 ` John Hubbard
2025-10-21 8:27 ` Jan Kara
2025-10-21 16:56 ` John Hubbard
2025-10-20 19:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-21 7:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-21 7:57 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-21 9:33 ` Jan Kara
2025-10-21 9:43 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-21 9:22 ` Jan Kara
2025-10-21 9:37 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-10-21 9:52 ` Jan Kara
2025-10-21 3:17 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-10-21 7:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-21 8:15 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-10-21 11:30 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2025-10-22 2:27 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-10-22 5:04 ` hch
2025-10-22 6:17 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-10-22 6:24 ` hch
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