From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from lists.ozlabs.org (lists.ozlabs.org [112.213.38.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E364C19F2D for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2022 08:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from boromir.ozlabs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by lists.ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4M25Mc4mc4z3bZB for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2022 18:09:48 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: lists.ozlabs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=intel.com header.i=@intel.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=Intel header.b=j1GBkeQV; dkim-atps=neutral Authentication-Results: lists.ozlabs.org; spf=none (no SPF record) smtp.mailfrom=linux.intel.com (client-ip=134.134.136.126; helo=mga18.intel.com; envelope-from=jiaqing.zhao@linux.intel.com; receiver=) Authentication-Results: lists.ozlabs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=intel.com header.i=@intel.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=Intel header.b=j1GBkeQV; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from mga18.intel.com (mga18.intel.com [134.134.136.126]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4M25Ls49XQz2xjt for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2022 18:09:08 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=intel.com; i=@intel.com; q=dns/txt; s=Intel; t=1660032549; x=1691568549; h=message-id:date:mime-version:subject:to:cc:references: from:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OUtj8PDQH1O764kQwCllIAW90otQshciXG6qF4Ss2YM=; b=j1GBkeQVOa9Z6BMwe+uOF9Ovn91pbBOZSX5Vf8nu4YfkJ3lBBWVn5A1V yDD3qVrLawm+S/lRW48y19sVq7EoSxxiM/FMYL/w42wJa5ucRWifR2fCt dzQTRoCOg0Z5XbApxOcX6RSGSk0u6QHV8mOu1CiqrF+Or/+0xKAe2a5Pn Tye9AGymKuRWte3xYI1yJ2ffDt6Q/U01ZmpylfOncXErXJ5vtFWbGx9vb 6561LXD55X4cmLi++xSCpLBbNq41cJAjiHk6mZcKSQB4z7Ed6YdMhrY9L IVmlOagXdPjSbx41pIYK9M8SN2ll05iNHG/EXYb/MzMYt4+A1/hCrRqgE A==; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="6400,9594,10433"; a="273832012" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.93,224,1654585200"; d="scan'208";a="273832012" Received: from orsmga008.jf.intel.com ([10.7.209.65]) by orsmga106.jf.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 09 Aug 2022 01:09:04 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.93,224,1654585200"; d="scan'208";a="633243254" Received: from jiaqingz-mobl.ccr.corp.intel.com (HELO [10.249.168.253]) ([10.249.168.253]) by orsmga008-auth.jf.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 09 Aug 2022 01:09:02 -0700 Message-ID: <77004044-4ea7-8086-eab9-ac3c6d4bd634@linux.intel.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 16:08:59 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.12.0 Subject: Re: Can we improve the experience of working on OpenBMC? Content-Language: en-US To: Andrew Jeffery , openbmc@lists.ozlabs.org References: <3df049fc-e5ec-449e-b696-a2ca86c37ed3@www.fastmail.com> From: Jiaqing Zhao In-Reply-To: <3df049fc-e5ec-449e-b696-a2ca86c37ed3@www.fastmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: openbmc@lists.ozlabs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Development list for OpenBMC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Benjamin Fair , Ed Tanous , Brad Bishop , Heyi Guo , jebr@google.com, scody@google.com Errors-To: openbmc-bounces+openbmc=archiver.kernel.org@lists.ozlabs.org Sender: "openbmc" On 2022-07-27 09:22, Andrew Jeffery wrote> # Problems > > 1. Yocto is hard > 1. Managing patch stacks is hard > 2. Yocto-specific tooling is hard > 3. Finding the right recipe file to inspect/modify is hard > 4. Yocto has too much documentation > 2. OpenBMC has too much documentation > 3. Querying design/implementation/bug properties across the project is hard > 4. Coordinating breaking changes is hard > 5. Coordinating tree-wide changes is hard > 6. Identifying the right repo to file a bug against is hard > 7. Transferring bugs between repos is hard > 8. Bug reports are duplicated across repos > 9. Bug reports are ignored > 10. Working out where to submit a patch is hard > 11. Getting patches reviewed is hard > 12. New repo requests are bottle-necked I'd personally like to add one item * Submitting patches across multiple repos is hard, especially when they depends on each other