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From: Andrew Cooper <amc96@srcf.net>
To: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
Cc: "Stefano Stabellini" <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	"Wei Liu" <wl@xen.org>, "Julien Grall" <julien@xen.org>,
	"Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>,
	"Juergen Gross" <jgross@suse.com>,
	"Daniel Smith" <dpsmith@apertussolutions.com>,
	"Marek Marczykowski-Górecki" <marmarek@invisiblethingslab.com>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/65] x86: Support for CET Indirect Branch Tracking
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 23:49:47 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7809f437-320a-6749-e33c-92e641f87be0@srcf.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ce727ab2-da21-b013-9650-98747ebf45a0@suse.com>

On 26/11/2021 13:22, Jan Beulich wrote:
> On 26.11.2021 14:13, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>> On 26/11/2021 12:48, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>> On 26.11.2021 13:33, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>>>>   * I have not checked for misaligned endbr64's, and I'm not sure there is
>>>>     anything useful we could do upon discovering that there were any.
>>>>     Naively, there is a 1 in 2^32 chance (endbr64 being 4 bytes long), but
>>>>     this doesn't account for the structure of x86 code, which is most
>>>>     certainly not a uniform random distribution of bytes.
>>> Do you really mean "misaligned" here? The 2nd sentence rather might suggest
>>> that you mean byte sequences resembling ENDBR, despite actually being part
>>> of other insns. If so, checking might not allow to prove anything, as e.g.
>>> displacements change with about every build.
>> I do mean "any sequence of bytes resembling ENDBR", because that is
>> ultimately how the CPU instruction decode will behave.
>>
>> And yes - you certainly can hide it in a 4-byte disp/imm, but it's an
>> incredibly rare imm32 to find (except for tasks such as in patch 64).

[Answering out of order]
>> You can also hide it in an disp/imm8 followed by a specific nopl, but
>> I'm not sure if we'd ever emit 0F 1E FA as a nopl by default.
> We don't, and the tool chain doesn't either. Only canonical NOPs (opcode
> 0x1F) are to be used there, as all others may gain a meaning beyond
> plain NOP.

Good.  Presuming that this continues to be true, the "endbr64 bridging
two instructions" looks like:

F3 0F 1E FA - real endbr64
0F 1E FA - Not emitted by toolchains
1E xx - push %ds which is #UD in 64bit
FA - cli

So local_irq_{save,disable}() need to be a little wary, but this is far
more constrained than I was anticipating.

> A disp alone won't do in general, as the top byte will only ever be 0x00
> or 0xFF (as long as our binary image doesn't go beyond 16Mb).

Tangent... I thought I'd lifted all the 16M restrictions when I rewrote
the pagetable handling, but the linker assert is still present so
clearly something is still hanging around.

For a call/jump disp32, 0xF30F1EFA is nearly -2G so we're not in any
danger of encountering that, given the 1G upper limit on .text/.data/etc.

However, disp32s on memory operands are effectively arbitrary, and there
are tricks like:

    incl  ASM_PERFC_exceptions * 4(%rcx, %rax, 4)

where the disp32 field isn't even a "usual" offset.

> But a
> ModR/M or SIB byte could start such a sequence, with only two or three
> of the (lower) disp bytes used to complete the pattern.

Luckily, a ModRM of F3 is a reg/reg encoding (ebx and esi), with no SIB
byte, so there is no ModRM=F3, SIB=0F case to worry about.

That leaves:

1) ModRM=F3 with 0F 1E FA in imm32, or
2) ModRM=F3 with 0F 1E in imm16 and a trailing CLI instruction, or
3) SIB=F3, an (%rbx, %rsi, 8)-ish operand with 0F 1E FA coming from imm,
disp or the following instruction.

These look to have rather more wiggle room, but still don't look as if
they'd be common to encounter.

Perhaps the two most worrying areas are imm64 constants, and the
div-by-constant reciprocal that tends to yield a large imm32 for use
with mul.


Given that Marek has kindly hacked us up a check which should find any
arbitrary violations, and on a small sample of builds, there are no
violations, I suggest that we clean it up and put it as a check in the
real build and enable it by default seeing as we're right at the start
of the 4.17 dev window.

If it is seen to trip (and it might well not), we can judge at that
point whether to rearrange the code to avoid it, or drop the check. 
Until then however, it gives us a very strong security statement.

~Andrew


  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-26 23:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-26 12:33 [PATCH 00/65] x86: Support for CET Indirect Branch Tracking Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 01/65] x86: Introduce support for CET-IBT Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 14:10   ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 15:21     ` Andrew Cooper
2021-11-29  9:21       ` Jan Beulich
2021-12-10 14:20         ` Andrew Cooper
2021-12-13  7:32           ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-29  9:27   ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-29 10:27     ` Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 02/65] x86/pv-shim: don't modify hypercall table Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 03/65] xen/x86: don't use hypercall table for calling compat hypercalls Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 04/65] x86/hypercall: Annotate fnptr targets Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 14:21   ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 14:28     ` Andrew Cooper
2021-11-29  9:38       ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-29 10:00         ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 05/65] xen: Annotate fnptr targets from custom_param() Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 06/65] xen: Annotate fnptr targets from __initcall() Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 07/65] xen: Annotate fnptr targets from notifier callbacks Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 08/65] xen: Annotate fnptr targets from acpi_table_parse() Andrew Cooper
2021-12-06  8:36   ` Jan Beulich
2021-12-10 14:44     ` Andrew Cooper
2021-12-13  7:46       ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 09/65] xen: Annotate fnptr targets from continue_hypercall_on_cpu() Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 10/65] xen: Annotate fnptr targets from init_timer() Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 11/65] xen: Annotate fnptr targets from call_rcu() Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 12/65] xen: Annotate fnptr targets from IPIs Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 13/65] xen: Annotate fnptr targets from open_softirq() Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 14/65] xsm/flask: Annotate fnptr targets in the security server Andrew Cooper
2021-12-03 10:44   ` Daniel P. Smith
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 15/65] xsm: Annotate fnptr targets Andrew Cooper
2021-12-03 10:46   ` Daniel P. Smith
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 16/65] xen/sched: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 17/65] xen/evtchn: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-29 13:51   ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 12:33 ` [PATCH 18/65] xen/hypfs: " Andrew Cooper
2021-12-02 11:35   ` Juergen Gross
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 19/65] xen/tasklet: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-29 13:56   ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 20/65] xen/keyhandler: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 21/65] xen/vpci: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 22/65] xen/decompress: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 23/65] xen/iommu: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 24/65] xen/video: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 25/65] xen/console: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 26/65] xen/misc: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 27/65] x86: Annotate fnptr targets from request_irq() Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 28/65] x86/hvm: Annotate fnptr targets from hvm_funcs Andrew Cooper
2021-11-29 14:14   ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 29/65] x86/hvm: Annotate fnptr targets from device emulation Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 30/65] x86/emul: Annotate fnptr targets Andrew Cooper
2021-11-29 14:22   ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 31/65] x86/ucode: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 32/65] x86/power: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 33/65] x86/apic: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 34/65] x86/nmi: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 35/65] x86/mtrr: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 36/65] x86/idle: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 37/65] x86/quirks: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 38/65] x86/hvmsave: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 39/65] x86/mce: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 40/65] x86/pmu: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 41/65] x86/cpu: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 42/65] x86/guest: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 43/65] x86/logdirty: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 44/65] x86/shadow: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 45/65] x86/hap: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 46/65] x86/p2m: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 47/65] x86/irq: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 48/65] x86/aepi: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-29 14:33   ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 49/65] x86/psr: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 50/65] x86/dpci: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 51/65] x86/pt: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 52/65] x86/time: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 53/65] x86/misc: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 54/65] x86/stack: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-29 14:41   ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 55/65] x86/bugframe: " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 56/65] x86: Use control flow typechecking where possible Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 57/65] x86/setup: Read CR4 earlier in __start_xen() Andrew Cooper
2021-12-03 12:58   ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 58/65] x86/alternatives: Clear CR4.CET when clearing CR0.WP Andrew Cooper
2021-12-03 12:59   ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 59/65] x86/traps: Rework write_stub_trampoline() to not hardcode the jmp Andrew Cooper
2021-12-03 13:17   ` Jan Beulich
2021-12-03 13:59     ` Andrew Cooper
2021-12-03 14:03       ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 60/65] x86/emul: Update emulation stubs to be CET-IBT compatible Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 61/65] x86/entry: Make syscall/sysenter entrypoints " Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 62/65] x86/entry: Make IDT " Andrew Cooper
2021-12-03 13:23   ` Jan Beulich
2021-12-03 14:12     ` Andrew Cooper
2021-12-03 13:32   ` Jan Beulich
2021-12-03 15:30     ` Andrew Cooper
2021-12-06  9:42       ` Jan Beulich
2021-12-06 11:38         ` Andrew Cooper
2021-12-06 12:27           ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 63/65] x86/setup: Rework MSR_S_CET handling for CET-IBT Andrew Cooper
2021-12-06 10:49   ` Jan Beulich
2021-12-10 16:19     ` Andrew Cooper
2021-12-10 16:47       ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 64/65] x86/efi: Disable CET-IBT around Runtime Services calls Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 12:34 ` [PATCH 65/65] x86: Enable CET Indirect Branch Tracking Andrew Cooper
2021-12-06 11:24   ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 12:48 ` [PATCH 00/65] x86: Support for " Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 13:13   ` Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 13:21     ` Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 13:22     ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 23:49       ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2021-11-29  9:18         ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 16:33 ` [PATCH 59.5/65] x86: Introduce helpers/checks for endbr64 instructions Andrew Cooper
2021-11-26 18:26   ` Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
2021-11-26 18:29     ` Andrew Cooper
2021-12-03 13:59   ` Jan Beulich
2021-12-03 14:10     ` Andrew Cooper
2021-12-06  8:04       ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 16:37 ` [PATCH v1.1 60/65] x86/emul: Update emulation stubs to be CET-IBT compatible Andrew Cooper
2021-12-03 13:39   ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 16:37 ` [PATCH v1.1 61/65] x86/entry: Make syscall/sysenter entrypoints " Andrew Cooper
2021-12-03 13:48   ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-26 16:38 ` [PATCH v1.1 64/65] x86/efi: Disable CET-IBT around Runtime Services calls Andrew Cooper
2021-12-06 11:06   ` Jan Beulich
2021-12-10 17:16     ` Andrew Cooper
2021-12-13  7:52       ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-29 14:44 ` [PATCH 00/65] x86: Support for CET Indirect Branch Tracking Jan Beulich
2021-11-29 15:09   ` Andrew Cooper
2021-11-29 16:17     ` Jan Beulich
2021-12-02 10:31   ` Dario Faggioli

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