From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Spam Subject: Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:51:38 +0200 Sender: linux-fsdevel-owner@vger.kernel.org Message-ID: <782176906.20040826115138@tnonline.net> References: <20040824202521.GA26705@lst.de> <412CEE38.1080707@namesys.com> <20040825152805.45a1ce64.akpm@osdl.org> <112698263.20040826005146@tnonline.net> <1453698131.20040826011935@tnonline.net> <20040825163225.4441cfdd.akpm@osdl.org> <20040825233739.GP10907@legion.cup.hp.com> <20040825234629.GF2612@wiggy.net> <1093480940.2748.35.camel@entropy> <20040826044425.GL5414@waste.org> Reply-To: Spam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: <20040826044425.GL5414@waste.org> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Matt Mackall Cc: Nicholas Miell , Wichert Akkerman , Jeremy Allison , Andrew Morton , torvalds@osdl.org, reiser@namesys.com, hch@lst.de, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, flx@namesys.com, reiserfs-list@namesys.com > On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 05:42:21PM -0700, Nicholas Miell wrote: >> On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 16:46, Wichert Akkerman wrote: >> > Previously Jeremy Allison wrote: >> > > Multiple-data-stream files are something we should offer, definately (IMHO). >> > > I don't care how we do it, but I know it's something we need as application >> > > developers. >> > >> > Aside from samba, is there any other application that has a use for >> > them? >> > >> >> Anything that currently stores a file's metadata in another file really >> wants this right now. Things like image thumbnails, document summaries, >> digital signatures, etc. > That is _highly_ debatable. I would much rather have my cp and grep > and cat and tar and such continue to work than have to rewrite every > tool because we've thrown the file-is-a-stream-of-bytes concept out > the window. Never mind that I've got thumbnails, document summaries, > and digital signatures already. In Windows, the extra file streams are not lost or removed if you use a program that doesn't support them. They are only lost if you move the file to a file system that doesn't support the streams. Even RAR support the NTFS file streams. > While the number of annoying properties of files with forks is > practically endless, the biggest has got to be utter lack of > portability. How do you stick the thing in an attachment or on an ftp > site? Well you can't because it's NOT A FILE. > A file is a stream of bytes. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S267979AbUHZKOM (ORCPT ); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:14:12 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S267945AbUHZKAx (ORCPT ); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:00:53 -0400 Received: from c002781a.fit.bostream.se ([217.215.235.8]:22925 "EHLO mail.tnonline.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S268032AbUHZJs7 (ORCPT ); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:48:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:51:38 +0200 From: Spam Reply-To: Spam X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <782176906.20040826115138@tnonline.net> To: Matt Mackall CC: Nicholas Miell , Wichert Akkerman , Jeremy Allison , Andrew Morton , , , , , , , Subject: Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4 In-Reply-To: <20040826044425.GL5414@waste.org> References: <20040824202521.GA26705@lst.de> <412CEE38.1080707@namesys.com> <20040825152805.45a1ce64.akpm@osdl.org> <112698263.20040826005146@tnonline.net> <1453698131.20040826011935@tnonline.net> <20040825163225.4441cfdd.akpm@osdl.org> <20040825233739.GP10907@legion.cup.hp.com> <20040825234629.GF2612@wiggy.net> <1093480940.2748.35.camel@entropy> <20040826044425.GL5414@waste.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 05:42:21PM -0700, Nicholas Miell wrote: >> On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 16:46, Wichert Akkerman wrote: >> > Previously Jeremy Allison wrote: >> > > Multiple-data-stream files are something we should offer, definately (IMHO). >> > > I don't care how we do it, but I know it's something we need as application >> > > developers. >> > >> > Aside from samba, is there any other application that has a use for >> > them? >> > >> >> Anything that currently stores a file's metadata in another file really >> wants this right now. Things like image thumbnails, document summaries, >> digital signatures, etc. > That is _highly_ debatable. I would much rather have my cp and grep > and cat and tar and such continue to work than have to rewrite every > tool because we've thrown the file-is-a-stream-of-bytes concept out > the window. Never mind that I've got thumbnails, document summaries, > and digital signatures already. In Windows, the extra file streams are not lost or removed if you use a program that doesn't support them. They are only lost if you move the file to a file system that doesn't support the streams. Even RAR support the NTFS file streams. > While the number of annoying properties of files with forks is > practically endless, the biggest has got to be utter lack of > portability. How do you stick the thing in an attachment or on an ftp > site? Well you can't because it's NOT A FILE. > A file is a stream of bytes.