From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Aleksa Sarai <cyphar@cyphar.com>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Seth Forshee <sforshee@kernel.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] file: always lock position
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 12:05:13 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <790fbcff-9831-e5cf-2aaf-1983d9c2cffe@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wijcZGxrw8+aukW-m2YRGn5AUWfZsPSscez7w7_EqfuGQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 7/24/23 12:01?PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 at 10:46, Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> wrote:
>>
>> I don't think we do but it's something to keep in mind with async io
>> interfaces where the caller is free to create other threads after having
>> registered a request. Depending on how file references are done things
>> can get tricky easily.
>
> Honestly, by now, the io_uring code had *better* understand that it
> needs to act exactly like a user thread.
>
> Anything else is simply not acceptable. io_uring has been a huge pain,
> and the only thing that salvaged the horror was that the io_uring
> async code should now *always* be done as a real thread.
>
> If io_uring does something from truly async context (ie interrupts,
> not io_uring threads), then io_uring had better be very *very*
> careful.
>
> And any kind of "from kthread context" is not acceptable. We've been
> there, done that, and have the battle scars. Never again.
>
> So the absolutely *only* acceptable context is "I'm a real
> io_uringthread that looks exactly like a user thread in every which
> way, except I never return to user space".
>
> And if io_uring does absolutely _anything_ to file descriptors from
> any other context, it needs to be fixed *NOW*.
io_uring never does that isn't the original user space creator task, or
from the io-wq workers that it may create. Those are _always_ normal
threads. There's no workqueue/kthread usage for IO or file
getting/putting/installing/removing etc.
--
Jens Axboe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-07-24 18:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-07-24 15:00 [PATCH] file: always lock position Christian Brauner
2023-07-24 15:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-24 16:19 ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-24 16:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-24 16:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-02 4:44 ` Al Viro
2023-07-24 17:23 ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-24 17:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-24 17:46 ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-24 18:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-24 18:05 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2023-07-24 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-24 18:48 ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-24 22:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-24 22:56 ` Jens Axboe
2023-07-25 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-25 20:41 ` Jens Axboe
2023-07-25 20:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-25 20:58 ` Jens Axboe
2023-07-26 8:36 ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-26 10:31 ` David Laight
2023-07-26 12:53 ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-26 8:07 ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-24 16:46 ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-24 16:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-07-24 17:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-03 9:53 ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-03 14:15 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-03 15:17 ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-03 15:18 ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-03 15:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-03 17:54 ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-03 18:02 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-03 18:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-04 13:43 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-04 13:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-02 3:43 ` Al Viro
[not found] <20230804-turnverein-helfer-ef07a4d7bbec@brauner>
2023-08-05 11:46 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-05 18:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-05 19:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-06 6:10 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-06 13:25 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-06 17:48 ` Linus Torvalds
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