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From: Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@kernel.org>,
	Simona Vetter <simona@ffwll.ch>,
	linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>,
	linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: vt: Enlarge the framebuffer glyph size from 16 to 32 bits
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2026 08:20:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7c199c7f-d89b-48ca-a777-85585d2eb624@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <apLvO-8YJmQG7T0Z@MAC.fritz.box>

Hi

Am 29.08.26 um 16:39 schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
[...]
>> This has nothing to do with KDE or Gnome, if you have issues with those
>> projects, please take it up with them and contribute to them to resolve
>> those issues.  I know they can always use the help.
> My point is that the kernel's console is rock solid and dependable.

That is a bold statement.  I've spend the last years working on related 
code (fbcon) and it mostly feels dated and unmaintained. Our prime 
implementation (again fbcon) has been de-facto unmaintained for years. 
We recently had contributors who are pushing the ioctls semantics and 
found bugs in fbcon for a number of corner cases.


> Things like kmscon are subject to the vagaries of fashion.
>
>>> As is clear, I think the console's limitations should be eliminated.
>> And the rest of us feel the kernel console's code should be eliminated
>> entirely, when ever possible :)
> The rest of you don't appear to be console users.  It's easy to advocate
> for removal when you don't use it yourself.

FTR I'm not at all interested in eliminating the kernel's console. But 
there are must-have features and nice-to-have features. IMHO for the 
kernel console i18n really belongs in the later category.

Best regards
Thomas


>
>> thanks,
>> greg k-h

-- 
--
Thomas Zimmermann
Graphics Driver Developer
SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH
Frankenstr. 146, 90461 Nürnberg, Germany, www.suse.com
GF: Jochen Jaser, Andrew McDonald, (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg)



  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-31  6:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-27 18:38 vt: Enlarge the framebuffer glyph size from 16 to 32 bits Alan Mackenzie
2026-08-27 18:42 ` [Patch 1/9]: Make consolemap.c handle Unicode planes outside BMP Alan Mackenzie
2026-08-27 19:14   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-28  4:57   ` Jiri Slaby
2026-08-29 11:51     ` Alan Mackenzie
2026-08-27 18:45 ` [Patch 2/9]: Glyph size: Use GLYPH_SZ/HW rather than hardcoded 2, 1 Alan Mackenzie
2026-08-27 19:22   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 18:47 ` [Patch 3/9]: Replace scr_readw/writew by scr_readg/writeg, etc Alan Mackenzie
2026-08-27 19:18   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-29 12:11   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-08-29 13:33     ` Alan Mackenzie
2026-08-27 18:48 ` [Patch 4/9]: Amend internal manipulation of glyph structure Alan Mackenzie
2026-08-27 19:19   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 18:50 ` [Patch 5/9]: vt: Amend three Kconfig files Alan Mackenzie
2026-08-27 19:12   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 18:52 ` [Patch 6/9]: vt: Use u32 and typedef u1632 to handle whole glyphs Alan Mackenzie
2026-08-27 19:22   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 18:54 ` [Patch 7/9]: vt: Handle up to 2^21 glyphs, rather than 256/512 Alan Mackenzie
2026-08-27 19:14   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 18:56 ` [Patch 8/9]: vt: Enhancements to the VT ioctl interface Alan Mackenzie
2026-08-27 19:25   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 18:58 ` [Patch 9/9]: vt: Misc changes, e.g. to #include directives Alan Mackenzie
2026-08-27 19:25   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-29 12:06   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-08-28  6:12 ` vt: Enlarge the framebuffer glyph size from 16 to 32 bits Thomas Zimmermann
2026-08-28 14:36   ` Alan Mackenzie
2026-08-29 12:09     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-08-29 14:39       ` Alan Mackenzie
2026-08-31  6:20         ` Thomas Zimmermann [this message]
2026-08-31 14:45           ` Alan Mackenzie
2026-08-31 17:21             ` Helge Deller
2026-09-01 11:14               ` Alan Mackenzie

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