From: Alexander Lobakin <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <x86@kernel.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>, Uros Bizjak <ubizjak@gmail.com>,
Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
<linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH 00/19] Link the relocatable x86 kernel as PIE
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 17:35:50 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7e6b4e3d-3bc4-495b-90cf-618b010dcada@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260108092526.28586-21-ardb@kernel.org>
From: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 09:25:27 +0000
> This series is a follow-up to a series I sent a bit more than a year
> ago, to switch to PIE linking of x86_64 vmlinux, which is a prerequisite
> for further hardening measures, such as fg-kaslr [1], as well as further
> harmonization of the boot protocols between architectures [2].
>
> The main sticking point is the fact that PIE linking on x86_64 requires
> PIE codegen, and that was shot down before on the basis that
> a) GOTs in fully linked binaries are stupid
> b) the code size increase would be prohibitive
> c) the performance would suffer.
>
> This series implements PIE codegen without permitting the use of GOT
> slots. The code size increase is between 0.2% (clang) and 0.5% (gcc),
> and I could not identify any performance regressions (using hackbench)
> on various different micro-architectures that I tried it on.
> (Suggestions for other benchmarks/test cases are welcome)
>
> So now that we have some actual numbers, I would like to try and revisit
> this discussion, and get a conclusion on whether this is really a
> non-starter. Note that only the KASLR kernel would rely on this, and
> disabling CONFIG_RANDOMIZE_BASE will revert to the current situation
> (provided that patch #4 is applied)
>
> Some minor asm tweaks are needed too (patches #9 - #17), but those all
> seem uncontroversial to me.
>
> The first 5 patches are general cleanup, and could be taken into
> consideration independently of the discussion around PIC codegen.
>
> [1] There have been a few attempts at landing fine grained KASLR for
> x86, but the main problem is that it was tied to the x86 relocation
> format, which deviates from how fully linked relocatable ELF binaries
> are generally constructed (using PIE). Implementing fgkaslr in the ELF
> domain would make it suitable for other architectures too, as well as
> other use cases (bare metal or hosted) where no dynamic linking is
> performed (firmware, hypervisors). In order to implement this properly,
> i.e., with debugging support etc, it needs support from the tooling
> side. (Fine grained KASLR in combination with execute-only code mappings
> makes it extremely difficult for an attacker to subvert the control flow
> in the kernel in a way that can be meaningfully exploited).
In case anybody is interested...
The latest (to my knowledge) experiments with FG-KALSR was my side
project reviving Kristen's old series (and then rewriting it
completely): [0]
I haven't worked on it since then, as I work in an
XDP/netmem/whatever team, i.e. networking, not x86, and free time for
side projects shrunk severely since 2022.
Maybe someone would pick it up again some day, just like I picked up
Kristen's series back then...
[0] https://github.com/alobakin/linux/commits/fgkaslr
Thanks,
Olek
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-08 16:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-08 9:25 [RFC/RFT PATCH 00/19] Link the relocatable x86 kernel as PIE Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 01/19] x86/idt: Move idt_table to __ro_after_init section Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-22 13:08 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-22 13:48 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-22 13:58 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-22 14:09 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-22 14:16 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-22 14:20 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-22 14:25 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 02/19] x86/sev: Don't emit BSS_DECRYPT section unless it is in use Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-31 14:09 ` [tip: x86/sev] x86/sev: Don't emit BSS_DECRYPTED " tip-bot2 for Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 03/19] x86: Combine .data with .bss in kernel mapping Ard Biesheuvel
2026-03-06 19:07 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-09 14:11 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 04/19] x86: Make the 64-bit bzImage always physically relocatable Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-12 4:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-01-12 10:47 ` David Laight
2026-01-12 12:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 05/19] x86/efistub: Simplify early remapping of kernel text Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 06/19] alloc_tag: Use __ prefixed ELF section names Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 07/19] tools/objtool: Treat indirect ftrace calls as direct calls Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 08/19] x86: Use PIE codegen for the relocatable 64-bit kernel Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-09 21:34 ` Jan Engelhardt
2026-01-09 22:07 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 09/19] x86/pm-trace: Use RIP-relative accesses for .tracedata Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 10/19] x86/kvm: Use RIP-relative addressing Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-20 17:04 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-20 19:43 ` David Laight
2026-01-20 20:54 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-20 22:00 ` David Laight
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 11/19] x86/rethook: Use RIP-relative reference for fake return address Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 12:08 ` David Laight
2026-01-08 12:10 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 12:19 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 12/19] x86/sync_core: Use RIP-relative addressing Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 13/19] x86/entry_64: " Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 14/19] x86/hibernate: Prefer RIP-relative accesses Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 15/19] x64/acpi: Use PIC-compatible references in wakeup_64.S Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-09 5:01 ` Brian Gerst
2026-01-09 7:59 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-09 11:46 ` Brian Gerst
2026-01-09 12:09 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-09 12:10 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-09 12:51 ` Brian Gerst
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 16/19] x86/kexec: Use 64-bit wide absolute reference from relocated code Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 17/19] x86/head64: Avoid absolute references in startup asm Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 18/19] x86/boot: Implement support for RELA/RELR/REL runtime relocations Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 9:25 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 19/19] x86/kernel: Switch to PIE linking for the relocatable kernel Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-08 16:35 ` Alexander Lobakin [this message]
2026-01-09 0:36 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH 00/19] Link the relocatable x86 kernel as PIE H. Peter Anvin
2026-01-09 9:21 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-01-14 18:16 ` Kees Cook
2026-01-20 20:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-01-21 8:56 ` Ard Biesheuvel
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