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From: Kevin Hilman <khilman@linaro.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flag to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices
Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 15:48:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7hmweqmuve.fsf@paris.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2703563.1xTcfTGG98@vostro.rjw.lan> (Rafael J. Wysocki's message of "Thu, 08 May 2014 01:29:47 +0200")

"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> writes:

> From: Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>
>
> Currently, some subsystems (e.g. PCI and the ACPI PM domain) have to
> resume all runtime-suspended devices during system suspend, mostly
> because those devices may need to be reprogrammed due to different
> wakeup settings for system sleep and for runtime PM.
>
> For some devices, though, it's OK to remain in runtime suspend 
> throughout a complete system suspend/resume cycle (if the device was in
> runtime suspend at the start of the cycle).  We would like to do this
> whenever possible, to avoid the overhead of extra power-up and power-down
> events.
>
> However, problems may arise because the device's descendants may require
> it to be at full power at various points during the cycle.  Therefore the
> most straightforward way to do this safely is if the device and all its
> descendants can remain runtime suspended until the resume stage of system
> resume.
>
> To this end, introduce dev->power.leave_runtime_suspended.
> If a subsystem or driver sets this flag during the ->prepare() callback,
> and if the flag is set in all of the device's descendants, and if the
> device is still in runtime suspend at the beginning of the ->suspend()
> callback, that callback is allowed to return 0 without clearing
> power.leave_runtime_suspended and without changing the state of the
> device, unless the current state of the device is not appropriate for
> the upcoming system sleep state (for example, the device is supposed to
> wake up the system from that state and its current wakeup settings are
> not suitable for that).  Then, the PM core will not invoke the device's
> ->suspend_late(), ->suspend_irq(), ->resume_irq(), ->resume_early(), or
> ->resume() callbacks.  

Up to here, this sounds great.

> Instead, it will invoke ->runtime_resume() during the device resume
> stage of system resume.

But this part I'm not fully following...

> By leaving this flag set after ->suspend(), a driver or subsystem tells
> the PM core that the device is runtime suspended, it is in a suitable
> state for system suspend (for example, the wakeup setting does not
> need to be changed), and it does not need to return to full
> power until the resume stage.

But taking this "leave runtime suspended" idea the next logical step,
why would/should a device need to return to full power at the ->resume()
stage?  especially when it wasn't at full power when ->suspend()
happened?

IOW, why doesn't "leave runtime suspended" mean "leave runtime suspended
until runtime resumed on demand."

Forcing ->runtime_resume() during device resume means that in most
cases, a device will be forcibly runtime resumed, only to have nothing
to do but go idle and runtime suspend again, resulting in a(nother)
unnessary power-up, power-down cycle this patch is trying to avoid
during ->suspend().

Hmm, but wait a minute...

[...]

> @@ -735,6 +735,11 @@ static int device_resume(struct device *
>  	if (dev->power.syscore)
>  		goto Complete;
>  
> +	if (pm_leave_runtime_suspended(dev)) {
> +		pm_runtime_resume(dev);
> +		goto Complete;
> +	}

... maybe I'm forgetting how this works (since it's Friday and my brain
is already shutting down for the week) but after pm_runtime_resume() is
called, won't the device remain runtime active until
pm_runtime_suspend() is called, or until a
pm_runtime_get()/pm_runtime_put() cycle happens?

That means that on device resume, the device is forced into full power
state (even though it was runtime suspended when ->suspend() happened)
and will stay there until its used again.  

That seems like a rather unpleasant (and non-intuitive) side-effect of
"leave runtime suspended".

Kevin

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-09 22:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-14 23:12 [RFC][PATCH 0/3] PM: Mechanism to avoid resuming runtime-suspended devices during system suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-14 23:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flag to avoid executing suspend callbacks for devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-14 23:14 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] PM / runtime: Routine for checking device status during system suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-16 13:32   ` Mika Westerberg
2014-01-16 16:07     ` [Update][RFC][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-14 23:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] ACPI / PM: Avoid resuming devices in ACPI PM domain " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-15 13:57   ` [Update][RFC][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-16 23:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] PM: Mechanism to avoid resuming runtime-suspended devices " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-16 23:50   ` [PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: New flag to speed up suspend-resume of suspended devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-18 12:59     ` Ulf Hansson
2014-02-18 13:25       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-19 17:01     ` Alan Stern
2014-02-20  1:23       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-20  1:42         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-20 17:03         ` Alan Stern
2014-02-24  0:00           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-24 19:36             ` Alan Stern
2014-02-25  0:07               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-25 17:08                 ` Alan Stern
2014-02-25 23:56                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-26 16:49                     ` Alan Stern
2014-02-26 21:44                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-26 22:17                         ` Alan Stern
2014-02-26 23:13                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-27 15:02                             ` Alan Stern
2014-04-24 22:36                               ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] PM: Mechanism to avoid resuming runtime-suspended devices during system suspend, v2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-04-24 22:37                                 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flags to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-01 21:39                                   ` Alan Stern
2014-05-01 23:15                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-01 23:36                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-02  0:04                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-02 15:41                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-02 18:44                                             ` Alan Stern
2014-05-05  0:09                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-05 15:46                                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-05-06  1:31                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-06 19:31                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-05-07  0:36                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-07 15:43                                                         ` Alan Stern
2014-05-07 23:27                                                           ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flags to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices) Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-07 23:29                                                             ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flag to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08  7:49                                                               ` Ulf Hansson
2014-05-08 10:53                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 10:59                                                                   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-05-08 11:44                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 12:25                                                                       ` Ulf Hansson
2014-05-08 20:02                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 14:36                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-05-08 14:57                                                               ` Alan Stern
2014-05-08 20:17                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 21:03                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 21:20                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-05-08 21:42                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 21:50                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 22:28                                                                           ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] (was: Re: PM / sleep: Flag to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices) Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 22:41                                                                             ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flag to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-09  7:23                                                                               ` Ulf Hansson
2014-05-09 11:33                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 22:41                                                                             ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] PM / runtime: Routine for checking device status during system suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 22:42                                                                             ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] ACPI / PM: Avoid resuming devices in ACPI PM domain " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-09  1:52                                                                           ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flag to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices Alan Stern
2014-05-09 22:49                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-11 16:46                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2014-05-13  0:51                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 21:08                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2014-05-09 22:48                                                               ` Kevin Hilman [this message]
2014-05-10  1:38                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-12 16:33                                                                   ` Kevin Hilman
2014-05-07 23:31                                                             ` [Resend][PATCH 2/3] PM / runtime: Routine for checking device status during system suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-07 23:33                                                             ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] ACPI / PM: Avoid resuming devices in ACPI PM domain " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 14:59                                                               ` Alan Stern
2014-05-08 19:40                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-02 16:12                                         ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flags to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices Alan Stern
2014-04-24 22:39                                 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3][Resend] PM / runtime: Routine for checking device status during system suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-04-25 11:28                                   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-04-24 22:40                                 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] ACPI / PM: Avoid resuming devices in ACPI PM domain " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-16 23:51   ` [PATCH 2/3][Resend] PM / runtime: Routine for checking device status " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-16 23:52   ` [PATCH 3/3] ACPI / PM: Avoid resuming devices in ACPI PM domain " Rafael J. Wysocki

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