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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: "Björn Steinbrink" <B.Steinbrink@gmx.de>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Christoph Bartoschek <bartoschek@gmx.de>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Daniel Barkalow <barkalow@iabervon.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Proof-of-concept patch to remember what the detached HEAD was
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:42:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vr5t17w82.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20091017081901.GB5474@atjola.homenet

Björn Steinbrink <B.Steinbrink@gmx.de> writes:

> On 2009.10.17 00:43:31 -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:
>> Christoph Bartoschek <bartoschek@gmx.de> writes:
>> > Daniel Barkalow wrote:
>> >
>> >> The upshot of the messages should be:
>> >> 
>> >>  $ git checkout origin/master
>> >>  Since you can't actually change "origin/master" yourself, you'll just
>> >>  be sightseeing unless you create a local branch to hold new local work.
>> >> 
>> >>  $ git branch
>> >>  * (not a local branch, but "origin/master")
>> >> 
>> >>  $ git commit
>> >>  You've been sightseeing "origin/master". The commit can't change that
>> >>  value, so your commit isn't held in any branch. If you want to create
>> >>  a branch to hold it, here's how.
>
> [...]
>
>> The second item in the Daniel's transcript above may be an improvement but
>> I think it is a wrong economy to record and show 'but "origin/master"'
>> (which cannot be correct forever and has to be invalidated once the user
>> starts committing or resetting) in the message.
>
> I don't think it's entirely wrong to record that information, git just
> has to know when to invalidate it, possibly requiring the user to really
> detach HEAD.

Isn't it redundant information to begin with?  See $gmane/130527

> git checkout origin/master
> git checkout origin/master~3
> git checkout HEAD^2~5
> git reset --hard HEAD~2
>
> Those commands are all about walking the ancestry of origin/master in
> some way. So it seems reasonable to assume that HEAD is still weakly
> bound to origin/master.

But as "walking" gets longer, the information will become less and less
relevant and at some point it becomes misleading.  I cannot explain why
"let's take pains to maintain and carefully invalidate an extra piece of
redundant information so that we can show information the end user
shouldn't be trained to trust to begin with because it is unreliable" is a
good idea.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-17 17:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-14  4:44 [PATCH] Proof-of-concept patch to remember what the detached HEAD was Daniel Barkalow
2009-10-14  5:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-14  5:08 ` Jeff King
2009-10-14 10:33   ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-14 15:39     ` Jeff King
2009-10-14 18:34       ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-14 18:40         ` Jeff King
2009-10-14 15:56   ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-10-14 18:56 ` Jay Soffian
2009-10-14 19:15   ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-10-14 20:18     ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-10-14 20:37       ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-10-14 20:42       ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-14 20:48         ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-10-14 22:34           ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-14 23:09             ` Jeff King
2009-10-14 23:34               ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-10-15  0:56                 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-15  1:47                   ` Jeff King
2009-10-15  3:08                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-10-15  4:21                       ` Jeff King
2009-10-16  1:04                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-16  1:36                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-10-16  2:07                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-16  2:45                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-10-16  2:56                             ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-17  7:24                             ` Sean Estabrooks
2009-10-26 22:22                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-27  3:41                                 ` Nanako Shiraishi
2009-10-27 10:33                                   ` Making Git easy to use -- without RTFM, was " Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-27 17:58                                     ` Avery Pennarun
2009-10-16  0:53                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-16  3:00                     ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-15  7:36               ` James Pickens
2009-10-15 12:54                 ` Jakub Narebski
2009-10-15 14:11                   ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-15 19:03                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-10-15 15:36                 ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-10-15 16:29                   ` Michael J Gruber
2009-10-15 19:07                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-10-15 19:22                     ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-10-15 22:56                       ` Thomas Rast
2009-10-15 18:51                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-10-15 19:52                   ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-15 21:26                     ` Jeff King
2009-10-15 21:54                       ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-15 22:08                         ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-15 23:16                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-10-15 23:47                           ` James Pickens
2009-10-16  0:34                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-10-16  0:43                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-16  5:03                             ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-15 22:16                         ` Jeff King
2009-10-15 22:17                           ` Jeff King
2009-10-16  4:29                         ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-16  6:02                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-10-16  8:27                             ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-16 15:44                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-10-15 19:31                 ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-10-15 20:34                   ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-15 21:35                     ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-10-15 21:48                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-10-16 12:15                   ` Julian Phillips
2009-10-16 14:30                     ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-16 17:31                       ` Julian Phillips
2009-10-16 18:29                         ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-10-16 19:05                         ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-16 19:48                           ` Julian Phillips
2009-10-16 20:19                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-10-17 15:15                               ` Julian Phillips
2009-10-17 17:04                                 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-17 17:35                                   ` Julian Phillips
2009-10-17 17:48                                     ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-17 22:28                                       ` Julian Phillips
2009-10-16 20:19                             ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-17 15:32                               ` Julian Phillips
2009-10-17 17:43                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-17 22:19                                   ` Julian Phillips
2009-10-17  7:55                         ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-17  8:11                           ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-17  8:40                             ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-17  9:04                               ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-17 17:07                                 ` James Pickens
2009-10-17 19:41                                 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-18 22:47                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-19  8:44                                     ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-17 15:02                           ` Julian Phillips
2009-10-14 23:52         ` Eric Raible
2009-10-16 22:36 ` Christoph Bartoschek
2009-10-17  7:43   ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-17  8:19     ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-17 17:42       ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2009-10-17 20:35     ` Daniel Barkalow

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