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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 13. 09. 25, 0:22, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Thu, 11 Sept 2025 at 23:24, Jiri Slaby wrote: >> OK, can we have Submitted-at: or something for the above which you could >> completely ignore? > > No. > > We're not adding garbage that I'm "supposed to ignore". > > Stop this idiotic thread. Stop adding crap automatically. Pardon me? I understand you are tired of this (so am I), but can we stay constructive instead of constantly resistive? This is not helping. > I have made it very clear that you can add "Link" to your submissions > as long as IT IS NOT SOME AUTOMATIC MEANINGLESS GARBAGE. Yes, that's why I proposed something different than Link:. > I have also pointed out that you can find the original submission in > various much better ways than the meaningless link think you argue > for. Obvious question: how? Do you have some power tool which we all are missing? One example for all: for 23743ba64709, I want to get the applied v2 20250825125607.2478-3-calixte.pernot@grenoble-inp.org and not mistakenly resent v3 20250909202629.9386-2-calixte.pernot@grenoble-inp.org. How do I do that (if there was not a Link)? I can look up for tons of these false pos/negs. Seeming solutions: people are adding git-notes for some trees (tip, Vasant's tree). People are implementing b4 dig. People are using lore search. All those approaches are hopeless as they simply do NOT work as Link does. [Some maintainers I talked to inside SUSE are going to keep _this kind_ of Link (but I guess you will start refusing their PRs eventually).] My stance: if I bisect to a commit which does not yield me the right message-id in a second, I won't report it and stop right there. I am not going to burn my time by dubious searching here and there. The same as you don't want to burn your time clicking only-for-you-useless Links -- only viewed from the opposite side. And well, provided I alone upgrade the Tumbleweed kernel when a new release comes, I have to find bugs in final releases quite often. thanks, -- js suse labs