From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E237C04ABA for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 17:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230493AbjITRRf (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:17:35 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:34768 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231616AbjITRRe (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:17:34 -0400 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E433A9; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 10:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3BCEDC433C8; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 17:17:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1695230248; bh=ApF4wBrue9AayUL6Ck3kragbZU4GhEpInrtQl42fysw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=pAwrwGGfLPvdxRuXUBHqhvpTtL/0GdhWjK6DLt1wxIc1b3ESpp9LEhXusBaqRUioJ 8LOtI/7tMKdeXxdtorKoMSar+5F1MkPldkG/m51VMtBEsvX8DKu/2B1O8aIqG+jc/F 5sl7y+iwZCH4ZFbVMf5cpqYxoDPXWC20MhCITDrLqsntbzulOgzWB9gi+oD8TAYSfS zq9vNmBvuQWcAU8CHlqnpcC05NHEf8BMvsTMUKjOCGiYx1QmiZA1mxfT/QHak5Io9U v94FNba2mfEmeFu3N6/yKZHHo6ZLoKufhfrwXifOvP7IN1yVWbt/NVofIBsE2Z0UUJ bUgGX6jKxROVA== Received: from sofa.misterjones.org ([185.219.108.64] helo=goblin-girl.misterjones.org) by disco-boy.misterjones.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1qj0pJ-00Ej2x-IY; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 18:17:25 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 18:17:19 +0100 Message-ID: <864jjopxwg.wl-maz@kernel.org> From: Marc Zyngier To: Rob Herring Cc: Will Deacon , Catalin Marinas , Jonathan Corbet , James Morse , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] arm64: errata: Add Cortex-A520 speculative unprivileged load workaround In-Reply-To: References: <20230912121120.380420-1-robh@kernel.org> <20230912121120.380420-2-robh@kernel.org> <20230918100102.GA17472@willie-the-truck> <86zg1icop8.wl-maz@kernel.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM-LB/1.14.9 (=?UTF-8?B?R29qxY0=?=) APEL-LB/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/29.1 (aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 185.219.108.64 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: robh@kernel.org, will@kernel.org, catalin.marinas@arm.com, corbet@lwn.net, james.morse@arm.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: maz@kernel.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on disco-boy.misterjones.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 17:47:35 +0100, Rob Herring wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 7:50=E2=80=AFAM Marc Zyngier wro= te: > > > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 13:29:07 +0100, > > Rob Herring wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 5:18=E2=80=AFAM Marc Zyngier wrote: > > > > > > > > On 2023-09-18 11:01, Will Deacon wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 07:11:15AM -0500, Rob Herring wrote: > > > > >> Implement the workaround for ARM Cortex-A520 erratum 2966298. On= an > > > > >> affected Cortex-A520 core, a speculatively executed unprivileged= load > > > > >> might leak data from a privileged level via a cache side channel. > > > > >> > > > > >> The workaround is to execute a TLBI before returning to EL0. A > > > > >> non-shareable TLBI to any address is sufficient. > > > > > > > > > > Can you elaborate at all on how this works, please? A TLBI addres= sing a > > > > > cache side channel feels weird (or is "cache" referring to some T= LB > > > > > structures rather than e.g. the data cache here?). > > > > > > > > > > Assuming there's some vulnerable window between the speculative > > > > > unprivileged load and the completion of the TLBI, what prevents a= nother > > > > > CPU from observing the side-channel during that time? Also, does = the > > > > > TLBI need to be using the same ASID as the unprivileged load? If = so, > > > > > then > > > > > a context-switch could widen the vulnerable window quite signific= antly. > > > > > > > > Another 'interesting' case is the KVM world switch. If EL0 is > > > > affected, what about EL1? Can such a data leak exist cross-EL1, > > > > or from EL2 to El1? Asking for a friend... > > > > > > I'm checking for a definitive answer, but page table isolation also > > > avoids the issue. Wouldn't these scenarios all be similar to page > > > table isolation in that the EL2 or prior EL1 context is unmapped? > > > > No, EL2 is always mapped, and we don't have anything like KPTI there. > > > > Maybe the saving grace is that EL2 and EL2&0 are different translation > > regimes from EL1&0, but there's nothing in the commit message that > > indicates it. As for EL1-to-EL1 leaks, it again completely depends on > > how the TLBs are tagged. >=20 > Different translation regimes are not affected. It must be the same > regime and same translation. It would be good to capture this, then. >=20 > > You'd hope that having different VMIDs would save the bacon, but if > > you can leak EL1 translations into EL0, it means that the associated > > permission and/or tags do not contain all the required information... >=20 > The VMID is part of the equation. See here[1]. I have a pretty good idea of how TLB are *supposed* to behave. The fact that you need some sort of invalidation on ERET to EL0 is the proof that this CPU doesn't follow these rules to the letter... M. --=20 Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. 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