From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Juan Quintela Subject: Re: when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 14:46:41 +0100 Message-ID: <8665s0p39a.fsf@trasno.mitica> References: <20030130173522.3aa4d0e1.pegasus@nerv.eu.org> <3E397A19.60409@namesys.com> <20030130234142.E8448@vestdata.no> <3E3A6071.6060102@namesys.com> <20030131115333.GC15359@marowsky-bree.de> <3E3A67AE.4050601@namesys.com> <20030131122147.GE15359@marowsky-bree.de> <3E3A6D76.7080300@namesys.com> <86lm0xpmho.fsf@trasno.mitica> <3E3E7A95.1050908@namesys.com> <1044284001.15685.358.camel@tiny.suse.com> <3E3EBA3F.7060806@namesys.com> <1044300746.15684.428.camel@tiny.suse.com> <3E3EC7EC.8090005@namesys.com> <1044304857.15684.475.camel@tiny.suse.com> <3E3F0D5D.5070409@namesys.com> <1044324173.15684.503.camel@tiny.suse.com> <3E3F8D83.5000405@namesys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <3E3F8D83.5000405@namesys.com> (Hans Reiser's message of "Tue, 04 Feb 2003 12:53:07 +0300") List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Hans Reiser Cc: Chris Mason , Lars Marowsky-Bree , Ragnar =?iso-8859-1?q?Kj=F8rstad?= , Jure Pecar , reiserfs-list@namesys.com >>>>> "hans" == Hans Reiser writes: hans> Chris Mason wrote: >> Feel free to start the ultimate distribution where people can purchase a >> complete set of cds that results in a coherent, stable and fast install, >> where any component could be swapped with it's >> generic-recompiled-from-the-net counterpart and still provide support >> when people report bugs, all for a reasonable price. >> >> hans> If the maintainer of the software has issued it as a stable official hans> release, the distros should support it unless they know that hans> particular release is at fault. hans> It comes down to a struggle over social place. I think it is hans> presumptuous of distros, and harmful to the community, for them to hans> discourage downloading the latest version by the official maintainer hans> because of their desire that the user come to them for everything. hans> The maintainer, not the distro, should be telling the user what to hans> use. If the maintainer makes mistakes, they should live with them. hans> For the kernel, the maintainer is Marcelo. Nope. Life is more complicated than that. It just happens that sometimes for having two applications to work well together, you need to modify one or both. That is the labour of the distributions. You as user has several options: - You use the distro version. - Bug distro maintainer to update (it normally works, at least for the development versions of the distros : debian unstable, mandrake cooker, and I think that the other distributions have one equivalent). - You know enough to modify maintainer version to work well with your distro. - You install the maintainer version and pray that it will work with your distro. In my view, 1, 2 or 3 are valid options. 4 is just inaceptable except for learning purposes :( Later, Juan. -- In theory, practice and theory are the same, but in practice they are different -- Larry McVoy