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From: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
To: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	Linux Kbuild mailing list <linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	clang-built-linux <clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com>,
	llvm@lists.linux.dev, linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL v2] Kbuild updates for v5.15-rc1
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2021 17:19:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871r644bd2.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210904131911.GP1583@gate.crashing.org> (Segher Boessenkool's message of "Sat, 4 Sep 2021 08:19:11 -0500")

* Segher Boessenkool:

> Let me quote the original mail (I had to dig it out of the archives as
> well, no nice threading, too lazy, sorry):

It still doesn't say why.  I did see a reference to fleeting reference
to <stdatomic.h> and <float.h>.

My conjecture is that the real reason is avoid atomic emulation
(softatomic?)  and softfloat code.  It's not related to <stdarg.h> at
all: this header is replaced so that GCC's include subdirectory can be
dropped from the include search path.  What I don't know if this is to
avoid obscure linker failures related to libatomic/softfloat (obviously
not great) or run-time failures (worse).

In any case, it would be nice to know what the real motivation is.

After all, <stdatomic.h> is exactly like <stdarg.h> in that it's
possible to use its functionality even without the header file.  The
__atomic builtins are even documented in the GCC manual (unlike
<stdatomic.h>), which is why some programmers prefer them over the
standard interface.  And then there's the _Atomic keyword itself, whose
use can easily result in calls to libatomic functions, too.  So blocking
<stdatomic.h> makes little sense to me.

I don't know enough about softfloat if blocking the inclusion of
<float.h> is worth it.

Thanks,
Florian


  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-04 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-02 23:30 [GIT PULL v2] Kbuild updates for v5.15-rc1 Masahiro Yamada
2021-09-03 22:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-03 23:04   ` Nathan Chancellor
2021-09-04  8:01     ` Florian Weimer
2021-09-04 13:19       ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-09-04 15:19         ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2021-09-04 16:19           ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-09-04 17:22           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-04 19:15             ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-09-04 19:58               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-06 15:46                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-09-06 16:30                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-06 17:27                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-09-06 18:11                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-06 18:27                         ` Florian Weimer
2021-09-06 19:48                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-09-06 20:14                             ` Jakub Jelinek
2021-09-06 21:08                               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-06 21:24                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-07 14:41                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-09-06 21:52                                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2021-09-06 22:24                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-07 15:26                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-09-07 14:52                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-09-09  5:14                                     ` Masahiro Yamada
2021-09-07 14:29                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-09-06  6:54             ` Florian Weimer
2021-09-06 16:02               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2021-09-08  3:09                 ` Masahiro Yamada
2021-09-03 23:12 ` pr-tracker-bot

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