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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/11] signal/arm64: Document conflicts with SI_USER and SIGFPE, SIGTRAP, SIGBUS
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:28:50 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871sipl9p9.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180116172407.GA22781@e103592.cambridge.arm.com> (Dave Martin's message of "Tue, 16 Jan 2018 17:24:07 +0000")

Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com> writes:

> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 11:23:03AM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com> writes:
>> 
>> > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 06:59:36PM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> >> Setting si_code to 0 results in a userspace seeing an si_code of 0.
>> >> This is the same si_code as SI_USER.  Posix and common sense requires
>> >> that SI_USER not be a signal specific si_code.  As such this use of 0
>> >> for the si_code is a pretty horribly broken ABI.
>> >
>> > I think this situation may have come about because 0 is used as a
>> > padding value for "impossible" cases -- i.e., things that can't happen
>> > unless the kernel is broken, or things that are too unrecoverable for
>> > clean error reporting to be helpful.
>> >
>> > In general, I think these values are not expected to reach userspace in
>> > practice.
>> >
>> > This is not an excuse though -- and not 100% true -- so it's certainly
>> > worthy of cleanup.
>> >
>> >
>> > It would be good to approach this similarly for arm and arm64, since
>> > the arm64 fault code is derived from arm.
>> 
>> In this case the fault_info is something I have only seen on arm64.
>> I have been approaching all architectures the same way.
>
> Bad guess on my part; this table-driven approach seems to be new for
> arm64.
>
>> If there is insufficient information without architecture expertise
>> to fix this class of error I have been ading FPE_FIXME to them.
>
> Fair enough.
>
>> >> Further use of si_code == 0 guaranteed that copy_siginfo_to_user saw a
>> >> value of __SI_KILL and now sees a value of SIL_KILL with the result
>> >> that uid and pid fields are copied and which might copying the si_addr
>> >> field by accident but certainly not by design.  Making this a very
>> >> flakey implementation.
>> >> 
>> >> Utilizing FPE_FIXME, BUS_FIXME, TRAP_FIXME siginfo_layout will now return
>> >> SIL_FAULT and the appropriate fields will be reliably copied.
>> >> 
>> >> But folks this is a new and unique kind of bad.  This is massively
>> >> untested code bad.  This is inventing new and unique was to get
>> >> siginfo wrong bad.  This is don't even think about Posix or what
>> >> siginfo means bad.  This is lots of eyeballs all missing the fact
>> >> that the code does the wrong thing bad.  This is getting stuck
>> >> and keep making the same mistake bad.
>> >> 
>> >> I really hope we can find a non userspace breaking fix for this on a
>> >> port as new as arm64.
>> >
>> >> Possible ABI fixes include:
>> >> - Send the signal without siginfo
>> >> - Don't generate a signal
>> >
>> > The above two sould like ABI breaks?
>> 
>> They are ways I have seen code on other platforms deal with
>> not information to generate siginfo.  Sending the signal without siginfo
>> is roughly equivalent to your send SIGKILL suggestion below.
>> 
>> A good example of that is code that calls force_sigsegv.
>> 
>> Calling "force_sig(SIGBUS, current);" is perfectly valid.
>> And then the parent when it reaped the process would have
>> a little more information to go on when guessing what happened
>> to the process.
>> 
>> >> - Possibly assign and use an appropriate si_code
>> >> - Don't handle cases which can't happen
>> >
>> > I think a mixture of these two is the best approach.
>> >
>> > In any case, si_code == 0 here doesn't seem to have any explicit meaning.
>> > I think we can translate all of the arm64 faults to proper si_codes --
>> > see my sketch below.  Probably means a bit more thought though.
>> 
>> Yes I would be very happy to see that.
>> 
>> > The only counterargument would be if there is software relying on
>> > these bogus signal cases getting si_code == 0 for a useful purpose.
>> >
>> > The main reason I see to check for SI_USER is to allow a process to
>> > filter out spurious signals (say, an asynchronous I/O signal for
>> > which si_value would be garbage), and to print out diagnostics
>> > before (in the case of a well-behaved program) resetting the signal
>> > to SIG_DFL and killing itself to report the signal to the waiter.
>> >
>> > Daemons may be more discerning about who is allowed to signal them,
>> > but overloading SIGBUS (say) as an IPC channel sounds like a very odd
>> > thing to do.  The same probably applies to any signal that has
>> > nontrivial metadata.
>> 
>> Agreed.  Although I have seen ltp test cases that do crazy things like
>> that.
>> 
>> > Have you found software that is impacted by this in practice?
>> 
>> No.
>
> Searching for si_code on codesearch.debian.net, I looked at a few
> random hits.  Although this is far from exhaustive, I saw no instance
> of code that assumes some arch-specific meaning for SI_USER (or 0).
>
> Most code seems to check for signal-specific si_code values before
> assuming that signal-specific signifo fields are valid; or for
> SI_USER (or si_code <= 0) before assuming that si_uid and si_pid
> are valid.
>
> Returning proper values for si_code values in place of "0" would fix
> rather than break such cases.
>
>
>> I don't expect many userspace applications look at siginfo and
>> everything I have found is some rare hard to trigger non-x86 case which
>> limits the exposure to userspace applications tremendously.
>> 
>> The angle I am coming at all of this from is that the linux kernel code
>> that filled out out struct siginfo was not comprehensible or correct.
>
> I think "not comprehensible or correct" is a pretty good summary of
> all signal-related code...
>
>> Internal to the kernel it was using a magic value (not exportable to
>> userspace) in the upper bits of si_code.  That was causing problems for
>> signal injection and converting signals from 32bit to 64bit, and from
>> 64bit to 32bit.
>> 
>> So I wrote kernel/signal.c:siginfo_layout() to figure out which fields
>> of struct siginfo should be sent to userspace.  In doing so I discovered
>> that using 0 in si_code (aka SI_USER) is ambiguous, and problematic.
>> 
>> Unfortuantely in most of the cases I have spotted using 0 in the si_code
>> requires architectural knowledge that I don't currently have to sort
>> out.  So the best I can do is change si_code from 0 to
>> FPE_FIXME/BUS_FIXME/TRAP_FIXME and bring the architecture maintainers
>> attention to this area.
>> 
>> One of the problems that results from all of this is that we copy
>> unitialized data to userspace.   I am slowly unifying and cleaning the
>> code up so that the code is simple enough we can be certain we are
>> not copying unitialized data to userspace.
>> 
>> With si_coes of FPE_FIXME/BUS_FIXME/TRAP_FIXME I can at least attempt to
>> keep the craziness from happening.
>> 
>> My next step is to unify struct siginfo and struct compat_siginfo
>> and the functions that copy them to userspace because there are very
>> siginficant problems there.
>
> All of which sounds valuable.
>
>> All of that said I like the way you are thinking about fixing these
>> issues.
>
> Is it feasible to have a different internal constant for SI_USER?
> Then the generic could warn if it sees si_code == 0.  If the
> special nonzero KERNEL_SI_USER is seen instead, it is silently
> translated to SI_USER (0) for userspace.  This might help us
> track down cases where 0 is passed by accident.
>
> It may not be worth it though: if the affected cases are ones
> that happen never or almost never, a runtime BUG_ON() may not be
> helpful for tracking them down.
>
> Also, I'm making an assumption that si_code always flows through
> some generic code before reaching userspace (maybe untrue).

The code does flow through a generic path, and I am in the middle of
tightening that up right now.  As filling out siginfo is error prone,
and I need a guarantee that all of struct siginfo is initialized.
Adding a warning if a arch fault hander uses si_code == 0 aka SI_USER
would not be hard.

Given what you have found.  Given that it seems to match my experience
we can almost certainly change the code to just warn when the 0 is
passed in for the si_code for fault handlers.

I want to ensure that all of the fields are filled in before I do that
or else I risk passing unitialized values to userspace.  But I like that
as the long term goal for this code.

>> >> +++ b/arch/arm64/kernel/fpsimd.c
>> >> @@ -867,7 +867,7 @@ asmlinkage void do_fpsimd_acc(unsigned int esr, struct pt_regs *regs)
>> >>  asmlinkage void do_fpsimd_exc(unsigned int esr, struct pt_regs *regs)
>> >>  {
>> >>  	siginfo_t info;
>> >> -	unsigned int si_code = 0;
>> >> +	unsigned int si_code = FPE_FIXME;
>> >>  
>> >>  	if (esr & FPEXC_IOF)
>> >>  		si_code = FPE_FLTINV;
>> >
>> > This 0 can happen for vector operations where the implementation may
>> > not be able to report exactly what happened, for example where
>> > the implementer didn't want to pay the cost of tracking exactly
>> > what went wrong in each lane.
>> >
>> > However, the FPEXC_* bits can be garbage in such a case rather
>> > than being all zero: we should be checking the TFV bit in the ESR here.
>> > This may be a bug.
>> >
>> > Perhaps FPE_FLTINV should be returned in si_code for such cases:  it's
>> > not otherwise used on arm64 -- invalid instructions would be reported as
>> > SIGILL/ILL_ILLOPC instead).
>> >
>> > Otherwise, we might want to define a new code or arbitrarily pick
>> > one of the existing FLT_* since this is really a more benign condition
>> > than executing an illegal instruction.  Alternatively, treat the
>> > fault as spurious and suppress it, but that doesn't feel right either.
>> 
>> I would love to see this sorted out.  There is a very similar pattern
>> on several different architectures.  I suspect if we have a clean
>> solution on one architecture the other architectures will be able to use
>> that solution as well.
>
> Since user code that relies on checking si_code for fp exceptions will
> probably already break in these cases, we can probably fudge things a
> bit here.
>
> I'll have a think.  IEEE may also define some rules that are relevant
> here...
>
> For the proposed conversion of the si_code==0 cases for arm64, I'll
> draft an RFC for discussion (hopefully sometime this week).

Sounds good.

I will keep FPE_FIXME as a place holder until this gets sorted out.

There is a second issue I am looking at in this location,
and maybe I don't have to address it now.  But it looks like the code is
calling send_sig_info instead of force_sig_info for a synchronous
exception.  Am I reading that correctly?

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-16 22:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-12  0:57 [PATCH 00/11] siginfo fixes/cleanups esp SI_USER Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  0:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  0:59 ` [PATCH 01/11] signal: Simplify and fix kdb_send_sig Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  0:59 ` [PATCH 02/11] signal/sh: Ensure si_signo is initialized in do_divide_error Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  0:59   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  0:59 ` [PATCH 03/11] signal/openrisc: Fix do_unaligned_access to send the proper signal Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  0:59   ` [OpenRISC] " Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12 13:25   ` Stafford Horne
2018-01-12 13:25     ` [OpenRISC] " Stafford Horne
2018-01-12 17:37     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12 17:37       ` [OpenRISC] " Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  0:59 ` [PATCH 04/11] signal/parisc: Document a conflict with SI_USER with SIGFPE Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12 22:29   ` Helge Deller
2018-01-13 21:06     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-14  1:46       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-23  0:15     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-25 19:49       ` Helge Deller
2018-02-27  2:19         ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  0:59 ` [PATCH 05/11] signal/metag: " Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  0:59 ` [PATCH 06/11] signal/powerpc: Document conflicts with SI_USER and SIGFPE and SIGTRAP Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  0:59 ` [PATCH 07/11] signal/arm64: Document conflicts with SI_USER and SIGFPE,SIGTRAP,SIGBUS Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  0:59   ` [PATCH 07/11] signal/arm64: Document conflicts with SI_USER and SIGFPE, SIGTRAP, SIGBUS Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-15 16:30   ` Dave Martin
2018-01-15 16:30     ` Dave Martin
2018-01-15 17:23     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-15 17:23       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16 17:24       ` Dave Martin
2018-01-16 22:28         ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2018-01-17 11:46           ` Dave Martin
2018-01-17 11:46             ` Dave Martin
2018-01-17 11:57           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-17 11:57             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-17 12:15             ` Dave Martin
2018-01-17 12:15               ` Dave Martin
2018-01-17 12:37               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-17 12:37                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-17 15:37                 ` Dave Martin
2018-01-17 15:37                   ` Dave Martin
2018-01-17 15:49                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-17 15:49                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-17 16:11                     ` Dave Martin
2018-01-17 16:11                       ` Dave Martin
2018-01-17 16:45                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-17 16:45                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-17 16:45                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-17 16:45                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-17 17:14                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-17 17:14                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-24 21:28                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-24 21:28                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-24 21:28                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-17 17:17       ` Dave Martin
2018-01-17 17:17         ` Dave Martin
2018-01-17 17:24         ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-17 17:24           ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-17 17:39           ` Dave Martin
2018-01-17 17:39             ` Dave Martin
2018-01-15 19:30     ` James Morse
2018-01-15 19:30       ` James Morse
2018-01-12  0:59 ` [PATCH 08/11] signal/arm: Document conflicts with SI_USER and SIGFPE Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  0:59   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  0:59   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-15 17:49   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-15 17:49     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-15 20:12     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-15 20:12       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16 17:41     ` Dave Martin
2018-01-19 12:05     ` Dave Martin
2018-01-19 12:05       ` Dave Martin
2018-01-12  0:59 ` [PATCH 09/11] signal: Reduce copy_siginfo to just a memcpy Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  0:59 ` [PATCH 10/11] signal: Introduce clear_siginfo Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12  0:59 ` [PATCH 11/11] signal: Ensure generic siginfos the kernel sends have all bits initialized Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12 20:29 ` [PATCH 0/2] siginfo fixes Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12 20:29   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12 20:31   ` [PATCH 1/2] mn10300/misalignment: Use SIGSEGV SEGV_MAPERR to report a failed user copy Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-12 20:31   ` [PATCH 2/2] x86/mm/pkeys: Fix fill_sig_info_pkey Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-14 11:44     ` [tip:x86/urgent] " tip-bot for Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:39   ` [PATCH 00/22] siginfo unification Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:39     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:39     ` [PATCH 01/22] signal: Document all of the signals that use the _sigfault union member Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:39     ` [PATCH 02/22] signal: Document the strange si_codes used by ptrace event stops Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:39     ` [PATCH 03/22] signal: Document glibc's si_code of SI_ASYNCNL Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:39     ` [PATCH 04/22] signal: Ensure no siginfo union member increases the size of struct siginfo Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:39     ` [PATCH 05/22] signal: Clear si_sys_private before copying siginfo to userspace Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:39     ` [PATCH 06/22] signal: Remove _sys_private and _overrun_incr from struct compat_siginfo Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:39     ` [PATCH 07/22] ia64/signal: switch to generic struct siginfo Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:39     ` [PATCH 08/22] signal/ia64: switch the last arch-specific copy_siginfo_to_user() to generic version Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:39     ` [PATCH 09/22] signal/mips: switch mips to generic siginfo Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:39     ` [PATCH 10/22] signal: Remove unnecessary ifdefs now that there is only one struct siginfo Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:39     ` [PATCH 11/22] signal: kill __ARCH_SI_UID_T Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:39     ` [PATCH 12/22] signal: unify compat_siginfo_t Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:40     ` [PATCH 13/22] signal: Move addr_lsb into the _sigfault union for clarity Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-16 19:00       ` Dave Hansen
2018-03-16 19:24         ` Dave Hansen
2018-03-16 20:06           ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-16 20:33             ` Dave Hansen
2018-03-16 21:08               ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:40     ` [PATCH 14/22] signal/powerpc: Remove redefinition of NSIGTRAP on powerpc Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:40     ` [PATCH 15/22] signal/ia64: Move the ia64 specific si_codes to asm-generic/siginfo.h Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:40     ` [PATCH 16/22] signal/frv: Move the frv " Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:40     ` [PATCH 17/22] signal/tile: Move the tile " Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:40     ` [PATCH 18/22] signal/blackfin: Move the blackfin " Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:40     ` [PATCH 19/22] signal/blackfin: Remove pointless UID16_SIGINFO_COMPAT_NEEDED Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:40     ` [PATCH 20/22] signal: Unify and correct copy_siginfo_from_user32 Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:40     ` [PATCH 21/22] signal: Remove the code to clear siginfo before calling copy_siginfo_from_user32 Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16  0:40     ` [PATCH 22/22] signal: Unify and correct copy_siginfo_to_user32 Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-19 18:03       ` Al Viro
2018-01-19 21:04         ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-23 21:05     ` [PATCH 00/10] siginfo infrastructure Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-23 21:05       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-23 21:07       ` [PATCH 01/10] ptrace: Use copy_siginfo in setsiginfo and getsiginfo Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-23 21:07       ` [PATCH 02/10] signal/arm64: Better isolate the COMPAT_TASK portion of ptrace_hbptriggered Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-23 21:07       ` [PATCH 03/10] signal: Don't use structure initializers for struct siginfo Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-23 21:07       ` [PATCH 04/10] signal: Replace memset(info,...) with clear_siginfo for clarity Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-23 21:07       ` [PATCH 05/10] signal: Add send_sig_fault and force_sig_fault Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-23 21:07       ` [PATCH 06/10] signal: Helpers for faults with specialized siginfo layouts Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-24 19:26         ` Ram Pai
2018-01-24 20:54           ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-23 21:07       ` [PATCH 07/10] signal/powerpc: Remove unnecessary signal_code parameter of do_send_trap Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-23 21:07       ` [PATCH 08/10] signal/ptrace: Add force_sig_ptrace_errno_trap and use it where needed Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-23 21:07       ` [PATCH 09/10] mm/memory_failure: Remove unused trapno from memory_failure Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-23 21:07       ` [PATCH 10/10] signal/memory-failure: Use force_sig_mceerr and send_sig_mceerr Eric W. Biederman

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