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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: Using PCI config space to indicate config location
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:21:50 +1030	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871uh4587d.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121012093330.GA32014@redhat.com>

"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> writes:
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 08:59:36AM +1030, Rusty Russell wrote:
>> >> For writes, the standard seems to be a commit latch.  We could abuse the
>> >> generation count for this: the driver writes to it to commit config
>> >> changes.
>> >
>> > I think this will work. There are a couple of things that bother me:
>> >
>> > This assumes read accesses have no side effects, and these are sometimes handy.
>> > Also the semantics for write aren't very clear to me.
>> > I guess device must buffer data until generation count write?
>> > This assumes the device has a buffer to store writes,
>> > and it must track each byte written. I kind of dislike this
>> > tracking of accessed bytes. Also, device would need to resolve conflicts
>> > if any in some device specific way.
>> 
>> It should be trivial to implement: you keep a scratch copy of the config
>> space, and copy it to the master copy when they hit the latch.
>> 
>> Implementation of this will show whether I've missed anything here, I
>> think.
>
> What I refer to: what happens if driver does:
> - write offset 1
> - write offset 3
> - hit commit latch

- nothing
- nothing
- effect of offset 1 and offset 3 writes

Now, since there's nothing published by the *driver* at the moment
which can't be trivially atomically written, this scheme is overkill
(sure, it means you could do a byte-at-a-time write to some 4-byte
field, but why?).

But perhaps it's overkill: no other bus has this feature, so we'd need a
feature bit for them anyway in future if we create a device which needs
such atomicity.

Cheers,
Rusty.

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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Using PCI config space to indicate config location
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:21:50 +1030	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871uh4587d.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121012093330.GA32014@redhat.com>

"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> writes:
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 08:59:36AM +1030, Rusty Russell wrote:
>> >> For writes, the standard seems to be a commit latch.  We could abuse the
>> >> generation count for this: the driver writes to it to commit config
>> >> changes.
>> >
>> > I think this will work. There are a couple of things that bother me:
>> >
>> > This assumes read accesses have no side effects, and these are sometimes handy.
>> > Also the semantics for write aren't very clear to me.
>> > I guess device must buffer data until generation count write?
>> > This assumes the device has a buffer to store writes,
>> > and it must track each byte written. I kind of dislike this
>> > tracking of accessed bytes. Also, device would need to resolve conflicts
>> > if any in some device specific way.
>> 
>> It should be trivial to implement: you keep a scratch copy of the config
>> space, and copy it to the master copy when they hit the latch.
>> 
>> Implementation of this will show whether I've missed anything here, I
>> think.
>
> What I refer to: what happens if driver does:
> - write offset 1
> - write offset 3
> - hit commit latch

- nothing
- nothing
- effect of offset 1 and offset 3 writes

Now, since there's nothing published by the *driver* at the moment
which can't be trivially atomically written, this scheme is overkill
(sure, it means you could do a byte-at-a-time write to some 4-byte
field, but why?).

But perhaps it's overkill: no other bus has this feature, so we'd need a
feature bit for them anyway in future if we create a device which needs
such atomicity.

Cheers,
Rusty.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-12  9:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-27  0:29 Proposal for virtio standardization Rusty Russell
2012-09-27  0:29 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-09-27  0:29 ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-04 18:49 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2012-10-04 18:49   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08  2:21   ` Using PCI config space to indicate config location Rusty Russell
2012-10-08  2:21     ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-08 13:58     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 13:58       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 14:58       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-08 14:58         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-08 15:09         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 15:09           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 20:13           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-08 20:13             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-08 20:55             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 20:55               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 23:56               ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09  1:51                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09  3:16                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09  3:16                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09  3:16                     ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09 10:17                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-10-09 10:17                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-10-09 14:03                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 14:03                         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 13:56                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 13:56                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 13:56                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-10  3:44                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  3:44                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10 11:37                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-10 11:37                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-09 21:09                     ` Jamie Lokier
2012-10-09 21:09                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2012-10-10  3:44                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  3:44                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  0:08                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  0:08                           ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  0:08                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09 21:09                     ` Jamie Lokier
2012-10-09  6:33                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-09  6:33                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-09 15:26                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 15:26                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 20:24                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-09 20:24                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-10  2:54                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  2:54                           ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10 13:36                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-10 13:41                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-10 13:41                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-11  0:43                               ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  0:43                               ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  0:43                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  2:54                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09 15:26                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-10  8:34                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-10  8:34                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-08 13:58     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-10  8:30     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-10  8:30       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-11  1:18       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  1:18         ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-11 10:23         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-11 10:23           ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-11 22:29           ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11 22:29           ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11 22:29             ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-12  9:33             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-12  9:33               ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-12  9:51               ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2012-10-12  9:51                 ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-12 10:02                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-12 10:02                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-16 13:15                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-16 13:15                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-16 13:30                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-16 13:30                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-16 13:52                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-16 13:52                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2012-10-16 13:52                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-16 13:15                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-08  2:21   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-04 18:49 ` [Qemu-devel] Proposal for virtio standardization Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 14:02 ` Cornelia Huck
2012-10-09 14:02 ` Cornelia Huck
2012-10-09 14:02   ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2012-10-10  3:46   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  3:46   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  3:46     ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell

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