From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Hubert Chan Subject: Re: reiser4progs 0.5.4 for Debian Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:28:21 -0400 Sender: news Message-ID: <871xkppire.fsf@uhoreg.ca> References: <20040603194120.GD4990@nysv.org> <20040607193305.GA4854@raptus.homelinux.org> <20040607200203.GL4990@nysv.org> <20040608184559.GM4990@nysv.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: reiserfs-list@namesys.com License> "Finally, nothing in this license shall be interpreted to allow License> you to fail to fairly credit me, or to remove my credits such License> as by creating a front end that hides my credits from the user License> or renaming mkfs.reiser4" >>>>> "Markus" =3D=3D Markus T=F6rnqvist writes: Markus> On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 03:02:32PM +0530, Amit Shah wrote: Amit> This isn't DFSG-free. Markus> So is the case that Debian must somehow say they will honor Markus> Hans' request to make it GPL/DFSG free? No. Debian's actions do not affect the DFSG free-ness of a license. Markus> Well.. how can it not be DFSG free if it says that it's GPLv2 It is GPLv2 with "clarifications". Markus> and Stallman agrees with what Hans said? Stallman agrees with Hans' right to dual-/triple-/etc. license. I haven't heard his opinion on disallowing the removal or hiding of credits. Disallowing the removal of copyright notices is a standard restriction, but credits isn't that clear. Disallowing the renaming of mkfs.reiser4 could be a problem -- if someone writes a hobby filesystem from scratch (or based on some ideas from Reiser4), but uses significant (or even insignificant, but still enough for copyright to be claimed) code from mkfs.reiser4, he may be compelled to keep his program named "mkfs.reiser4", even though his filesystem is not compatible in any way with Reiser4. This violates DFSG clause 3 ("Derived works"). IANAL, but to me, disallowing creating a frontend that hides the credits seems more like a _use_ restriction than a _copy_ restriction, and hence smells more like a EULA than a copyright license. The author of the front end does not have to do any copying or modification of mkfs.reiser4 in order to create the front end. Markus> Or is Debian more about DFSG than GPL? Yes. Debian and the FSF seem to have slightly different opinions on what "Free" is. For example, the FSF's GNU FDL (Free Documentation License) is said to be non-DFSG-free. But the GPL with no other modifications or clarifications or interpretations is generally regarded as DFSG-free. --=20 Hubert Chan - http://www.uhoreg.ca/ PGP/GnuPG key: 1024D/124B61FA Fingerprint: 96C5 012F 5F74 A5F7 1FF7 5291 AF29 C719 124B 61FA Key available at wwwkeys.pgp.net. Encrypted e-mail preferred.