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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Zefan Li <lizefan.x@bytedance.com>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Oliver Upton <oupton@google.com>,
	Huang@google.com, Shaoqin <shaoqin.huang@intel.com>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 1/4] mm: add NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE to count secondary page table uses.
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 11:29:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8735fn3gpt.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220628220938.3657876-2-yosryahmed@google.com>

On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 23:09:35 +0100,
Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com> wrote:
> 
> We keep track of several kernel memory stats (total kernel memory, page
> tables, stack, vmalloc, etc) on multiple levels (global, per-node,
> per-memcg, etc). These stats give insights to users to how much memory
> is used by the kernel and for what purposes.
> 
> Currently, memory used by kvm mmu is not accounted in any of those
> kernel memory stats. This patch series accounts the memory pages
> used by KVM for page tables in those stats in a new
> NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE stat. This stat can be later extended to account
> for other types of secondary pages tables (e.g. iommu page tables).
> 
> KVM has a decent number of large allocations that aren't for page
> tables, but for most of them, the number/size of those allocations
> scales linearly with either the number of vCPUs or the amount of memory
> assigned to the VM. KVM's secondary page table allocations do not scale
> linearly, especially when nested virtualization is in use.
> 
> From a KVM perspective, NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE will scale with KVM's
> per-VM pages_{4k,2m,1g} stats unless the guest is doing something
> bizarre (e.g. accessing only 4kb chunks of 2mb pages so that KVM is
> forced to allocate a large number of page tables even though the guest
> isn't accessing that much memory). However, someone would need to either
> understand how KVM works to make that connection, or know (or be told) to
> go look at KVM's stats if they're running VMs to better decipher the stats.
> 
> Furthermore, having NR_PAGETABLE side-by-side with NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE
> is informative. For example, when backing a VM with THP vs. HugeTLB,
> NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE is roughly the same, but NR_PAGETABLE is an order
> of magnitude higher with THP. So having this stat will at the very least
> prove to be useful for understanding tradeoffs between VM backing types,
> and likely even steer folks towards potential optimizations.
> 
> The original discussion with more details about the rationale:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/87ilqoi77b.wl-maz@kernel.org
> 
> This stat will be used by subsequent patches to count KVM mmu
> memory usage.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
> Acked-by: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>

Acked-by: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>

	M.

-- 
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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
Cc: Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Shaoqin <shaoqin.huang@intel.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Zefan Li <lizefan.x@bytedance.com>,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, Huang@google.com,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 1/4] mm: add NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE to count secondary page table uses.
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 11:29:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8735fn3gpt.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220628220938.3657876-2-yosryahmed@google.com>

On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 23:09:35 +0100,
Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com> wrote:
> 
> We keep track of several kernel memory stats (total kernel memory, page
> tables, stack, vmalloc, etc) on multiple levels (global, per-node,
> per-memcg, etc). These stats give insights to users to how much memory
> is used by the kernel and for what purposes.
> 
> Currently, memory used by kvm mmu is not accounted in any of those
> kernel memory stats. This patch series accounts the memory pages
> used by KVM for page tables in those stats in a new
> NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE stat. This stat can be later extended to account
> for other types of secondary pages tables (e.g. iommu page tables).
> 
> KVM has a decent number of large allocations that aren't for page
> tables, but for most of them, the number/size of those allocations
> scales linearly with either the number of vCPUs or the amount of memory
> assigned to the VM. KVM's secondary page table allocations do not scale
> linearly, especially when nested virtualization is in use.
> 
> From a KVM perspective, NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE will scale with KVM's
> per-VM pages_{4k,2m,1g} stats unless the guest is doing something
> bizarre (e.g. accessing only 4kb chunks of 2mb pages so that KVM is
> forced to allocate a large number of page tables even though the guest
> isn't accessing that much memory). However, someone would need to either
> understand how KVM works to make that connection, or know (or be told) to
> go look at KVM's stats if they're running VMs to better decipher the stats.
> 
> Furthermore, having NR_PAGETABLE side-by-side with NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE
> is informative. For example, when backing a VM with THP vs. HugeTLB,
> NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE is roughly the same, but NR_PAGETABLE is an order
> of magnitude higher with THP. So having this stat will at the very least
> prove to be useful for understanding tradeoffs between VM backing types,
> and likely even steer folks towards potential optimizations.
> 
> The original discussion with more details about the rationale:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/87ilqoi77b.wl-maz@kernel.org
> 
> This stat will be used by subsequent patches to count KVM mmu
> memory usage.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
> Acked-by: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>

Acked-by: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>

	M.

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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Zefan Li <lizefan.x@bytedance.com>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Oliver Upton <oupton@google.com>,
	Huang@google.com, Shaoqin <shaoqin.huang@intel.com>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 1/4] mm: add NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE to count secondary page table uses.
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 11:29:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8735fn3gpt.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220628220938.3657876-2-yosryahmed@google.com>

On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 23:09:35 +0100,
Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com> wrote:
> 
> We keep track of several kernel memory stats (total kernel memory, page
> tables, stack, vmalloc, etc) on multiple levels (global, per-node,
> per-memcg, etc). These stats give insights to users to how much memory
> is used by the kernel and for what purposes.
> 
> Currently, memory used by kvm mmu is not accounted in any of those
> kernel memory stats. This patch series accounts the memory pages
> used by KVM for page tables in those stats in a new
> NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE stat. This stat can be later extended to account
> for other types of secondary pages tables (e.g. iommu page tables).
> 
> KVM has a decent number of large allocations that aren't for page
> tables, but for most of them, the number/size of those allocations
> scales linearly with either the number of vCPUs or the amount of memory
> assigned to the VM. KVM's secondary page table allocations do not scale
> linearly, especially when nested virtualization is in use.
> 
> From a KVM perspective, NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE will scale with KVM's
> per-VM pages_{4k,2m,1g} stats unless the guest is doing something
> bizarre (e.g. accessing only 4kb chunks of 2mb pages so that KVM is
> forced to allocate a large number of page tables even though the guest
> isn't accessing that much memory). However, someone would need to either
> understand how KVM works to make that connection, or know (or be told) to
> go look at KVM's stats if they're running VMs to better decipher the stats.
> 
> Furthermore, having NR_PAGETABLE side-by-side with NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE
> is informative. For example, when backing a VM with THP vs. HugeTLB,
> NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE is roughly the same, but NR_PAGETABLE is an order
> of magnitude higher with THP. So having this stat will at the very least
> prove to be useful for understanding tradeoffs between VM backing types,
> and likely even steer folks towards potential optimizations.
> 
> The original discussion with more details about the rationale:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/87ilqoi77b.wl-maz@kernel.org
> 
> This stat will be used by subsequent patches to count KVM mmu
> memory usage.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
> Acked-by: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>

Acked-by: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>

	M.

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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Zefan Li <lizefan.x@bytedance.com>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Oliver Upton <oupton@google.com>,
	Huang@google.com, Shaoqin <shaoqin.huang@intel.com>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 1/4] mm: add NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE to count secondary page table uses.
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 11:29:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8735fn3gpt.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220628220938.3657876-2-yosryahmed@google.com>

On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 23:09:35 +0100,
Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com> wrote:
> 
> We keep track of several kernel memory stats (total kernel memory, page
> tables, stack, vmalloc, etc) on multiple levels (global, per-node,
> per-memcg, etc). These stats give insights to users to how much memory
> is used by the kernel and for what purposes.
> 
> Currently, memory used by kvm mmu is not accounted in any of those
> kernel memory stats. This patch series accounts the memory pages
> used by KVM for page tables in those stats in a new
> NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE stat. This stat can be later extended to account
> for other types of secondary pages tables (e.g. iommu page tables).
> 
> KVM has a decent number of large allocations that aren't for page
> tables, but for most of them, the number/size of those allocations
> scales linearly with either the number of vCPUs or the amount of memory
> assigned to the VM. KVM's secondary page table allocations do not scale
> linearly, especially when nested virtualization is in use.
> 
> From a KVM perspective, NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE will scale with KVM's
> per-VM pages_{4k,2m,1g} stats unless the guest is doing something
> bizarre (e.g. accessing only 4kb chunks of 2mb pages so that KVM is
> forced to allocate a large number of page tables even though the guest
> isn't accessing that much memory). However, someone would need to either
> understand how KVM works to make that connection, or know (or be told) to
> go look at KVM's stats if they're running VMs to better decipher the stats.
> 
> Furthermore, having NR_PAGETABLE side-by-side with NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE
> is informative. For example, when backing a VM with THP vs. HugeTLB,
> NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE is roughly the same, but NR_PAGETABLE is an order
> of magnitude higher with THP. So having this stat will at the very least
> prove to be useful for understanding tradeoffs between VM backing types,
> and likely even steer folks towards potential optimizations.
> 
> The original discussion with more details about the rationale:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/87ilqoi77b.wl-maz@kernel.org
> 
> This stat will be used by subsequent patches to count KVM mmu
> memory usage.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
> Acked-by: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>

Acked-by: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>

	M.

-- 
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-29 10:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-28 22:09 [PATCH v6 0/4] KVM: mm: count KVM mmu usage in memory stats Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-28 22:09 ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-28 22:09 ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-28 22:09 ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-28 22:09 ` [PATCH v6 2/4] KVM: mmu: add a helper to account memory used by KVM MMU Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-28 22:09   ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-28 22:09   ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-29 10:30   ` Marc Zyngier
2022-06-29 10:30     ` Marc Zyngier
2022-06-29 10:30     ` Marc Zyngier
2022-06-29 10:30     ` Marc Zyngier
     [not found]   ` <20220628220938.3657876-3-yosryahmed-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2022-07-07 21:08     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-07 21:08       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-07 21:08       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-07 21:08       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-12 23:03       ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-12 23:03         ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-12 23:03         ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-12 23:03         ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-28 22:09 ` [PATCH v6 3/4] KVM: x86/mmu: count KVM mmu usage in secondary pagetable stats Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-28 22:09   ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-28 22:09   ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]   ` <20220628220938.3657876-4-yosryahmed-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2022-07-07 21:11     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-07 21:11       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-07 21:11       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-07 21:11       ` Sean Christopherson
     [not found] ` <20220628220938.3657876-1-yosryahmed-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2022-06-28 22:09   ` [PATCH v6 1/4] mm: add NR_SECONDARY_PAGETABLE to count secondary page table uses Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-28 22:09     ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-28 22:09     ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-28 22:09     ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-29 10:29     ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2022-06-29 10:29       ` Marc Zyngier
2022-06-29 10:29       ` Marc Zyngier
2022-06-29 10:29       ` Marc Zyngier
2022-07-07 20:59     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-07 20:59       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-07 20:59       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-07 20:59       ` Sean Christopherson
     [not found]       ` <YsdJPeVOqlj4cf2a-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2022-07-12 23:03         ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-12 23:03           ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-12 23:03           ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-12 23:03           ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]           ` <CAJD7tkYE+pZdk=-psEP_Rq_1CmDjY7Go+s1LXm-ctryWvUdgLA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2022-07-12 23:05             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-12 23:05               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-12 23:05               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-12 23:05               ` Sean Christopherson
     [not found]               ` <Ys3+UTTC4Qgbm7pQ-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2022-07-18 18:26                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-18 18:26                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-18 18:26                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-18 18:26                   ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]                   ` <CAJD7tkY91oiDWTj5FY2Upc5vabsjLk+CBMNzAepXLUdF_GS11w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2022-08-08 20:06                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-08 20:06                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-08 20:06                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-08 20:06                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-15  9:18                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-15  9:18                         ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-15  9:18                         ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-15  9:18                         ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]                       ` <CAJD7tkbc+E7f+ENRazf0SO7C3gR2bHiN4B0F1oPn8Pa6juAVfg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2022-08-15 15:13                         ` Johannes Weiner
2022-08-15 15:13                           ` Johannes Weiner
2022-08-15 15:13                           ` Johannes Weiner
2022-08-15 15:13                           ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                           ` <Yvpir0nWuTsXz322-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2022-08-15 15:39                             ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-15 15:39                               ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-15 15:39                               ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-15 15:39                               ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]                               ` <CAJD7tkYJcsSvCUCkNgcWvi2Xoa3GDZk81p5GUptZzkOkrhrTWQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2022-08-17 17:25                                 ` Andrew Morton
2022-08-17 17:25                                   ` Andrew Morton
2022-08-17 17:25                                   ` Andrew Morton
2022-08-17 17:25                                   ` Andrew Morton
2022-08-17 17:24     ` Andrew Morton
2022-08-17 17:24       ` Andrew Morton
2022-08-17 17:24       ` Andrew Morton
2022-08-17 17:24       ` Andrew Morton
2022-08-17 22:27       ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-17 22:27         ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-17 22:27         ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-17 22:27         ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-23  0:04         ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-23  0:04           ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-23  0:04           ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-08-23  0:04           ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]           ` <CAJD7tkYiVBsWfwQ6qZ3NVzW=3UPTAjSmR5aYgT2M3gk+5Hq0_Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2022-08-23  0:08             ` Andrew Morton
2022-08-23  0:08               ` Andrew Morton
2022-08-23  0:08               ` Andrew Morton
2022-08-23  0:08               ` Andrew Morton
2022-06-28 22:09   ` [PATCH v6 4/4] KVM: arm64/mmu: count KVM s2 mmu usage in secondary pagetable stats Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-28 22:09     ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-28 22:09     ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-28 22:09     ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-29 10:30     ` Marc Zyngier
2022-06-29 10:30       ` Marc Zyngier
2022-06-29 10:30       ` Marc Zyngier
2022-06-29 10:30       ` Marc Zyngier
2022-06-30 21:01   ` [PATCH v6 0/4] KVM: mm: count KVM mmu usage in memory stats Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-30 21:01     ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-30 21:01     ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-06-30 21:01     ` Yosry Ahmed

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