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helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.043, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, GB_FAKE_RF=0.754, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: qemu development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org John Snow writes: > On Wed, Feb 18, 2026 at 3:26=E2=80=AFPM Paolo Bonzini wrote: >> Il mer 18 feb 2026, 18:10 John Snow ha scritto: >>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2026, 6:48=E2=80=AFAM Paolo Bonzini wrote: >>>> Markus Armbruster writes: >>>> >>>> > John Snow writes: [...] >>>> >> My plan: >>>> >> - Wait and see what happens after the current QEMU release >>>> >> - Gleefully drop Ubuntu 22.04 in April (Allows Python 3.11+) >>>> >> - Gleefully drop Debian 12 in June >>>> >> - Hold my breath and see if FreeBSD happens to modernize by this po= int >>>> >> (They have until October 2027 to do so, so it's a dice roll if they >>>> >> will or not) >>>> >> - Do a big round of Python modernization all at once; either to 3.11 >>>> >> or 3.12 depending, and either to Sphinx 5.x or 7.x depending, pray = for >>>> >> forgiveness that I am removing CentOS stream 9's ability to build d= ocs >>>> >> offline so I don't have to wait another six months and then do anot= her >>>> >> big cleanup round >>>> >>>> The main nice features of 3.12 are improved f-strings, which are nice >>>> but not really a necessity. >>>> >>>> If I read it correctly, https://www.freshports.org/lang/python says it >>>> has 3.9 on PPC and 3.11 elsewhere, but >>>> https://www.freshports.org/lang/python311 says 3.11 exists on PPC as w= ell. >>>> >>>> I'd go for 3.11 and Sphinx 7. For FreeBSD we can require Python from = Ports. >>> >>> >>> freebsd ports is currently at 3.11, which is the main reason I am sayin= g "see what freebsd does by June" >>> >>> if they update, we can have Python 3.12 and Sphinx 7.x. If they don't, = we get 3.11 and 5.x >> >> >> Why can't we do 3.11 and 7.x, and let freebsd also get sphinx from pypi = until they update? > > Hm, I guess no reason, beyond my recalcitrance on breaking docs on a > supported build platform unless absolutely necessary. It'd still be my > preference to align with the native distro repo/ports versions if at > all possible, but I suppose if FreeBSD doesn't fix itself by June or > so that we can consider dropping docs support with ports packages at > that time. > > (I think I just have Stockholm Syndrome from arguing for "unnecessary > version bumps to get shiny new toys" and prefer to let those arguments > come from my seniors ... so I stick with very safe changes when at all > possible.) You do. Please consider going to 7.x really, really seriously. >> >> Paolo >> >>> . Both are good jumps, but on the chance I can make the bigger jump, I'= d rather do it in one round instead of two. >>> >>>> >>>> Paolo >>>>