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From: Kevin Hilman <khilman@ti.com>
To: Raymond Yau <superquad.vortex2@gmail.com>
Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
Subject: Re: HDA intel, wired headset w/mic, jack mic detect
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:34:17 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874nu99k9y.fsf@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: CAN8ccib90y8m0KLTYKe7Jz5sXVZFY=D7aUwm8vog3aZvZPHH0Q@mail.gmail.com

Raymond Yau <superquad.vortex2@gmail.com> writes:

[...]

>> As you can see, there's no detected difference between the TRS and TRRS
>> headsets, which is the root of the problem.
>
> can you post the output of alsa-info.sh ?

below is the output when the headset w/mic is plugged in

> In the codec info, do you find  Misc bit of pin defaults of the node
> [jack] Mic at Ext is set ? (i.e. Misc = NO_PRESENCE ) ?

I don't see any Mic at Ext, but I do see a 'Mic at Int' and it shows
NO_PRESENCE.

Should I be seeing a 2 different Mics?  one for internal one for external?

> you need to add the mic select code to the unsolicited event of hp
> automute speaker
>
>     present =  snd_hda_jack_detect(codec, 0x9) ;
>     if (present)
>           select ext mic
>    else
>           select int mic

Not being an ALSA hacker, how exactly does one 'select ext mic' or
'select int mic'?

Looking at sound/pci/hda/patch_cirrus.c (which seems to be the codec I
have), I see cs_automic() doing this.  Would calling cs_automic() from
cs_automute() when hp_present=1 do what you're suggesting?

Kevin




upload=true&script=true&cardinfo=
!!################################
!!ALSA Information Script v 0.4.60
!!################################

!!Script ran on: Thu Mar  1 00:04:16 UTC 2012


!!Linux Distribution
!!------------------

Ubuntu 11.10 \n \l DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 11.10"


!!DMI Information
!!---------------

Manufacturer:      Apple Inc.
Product Name:      MacBookAir4,1
Product Version:   1.0


!!Kernel Information
!!------------------

Kernel release:    3.0.0-13-generic
Operating System:  GNU/Linux
Architecture:      x86_64
Processor:         x86_64
SMP Enabled:       Yes


!!ALSA Version
!!------------

Driver version:     1.0.24
Library version:    1.0.24.1
Utilities version:  1.0.24.2


!!Loaded ALSA modules
!!-------------------

snd_hda_intel


!!Sound Servers on this system
!!----------------------------

Pulseaudio:
      Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/pulseaudio)
      Running - Yes

ESound Daemon:
      Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/esd)
      Running - No


!!Soundcards recognised by ALSA
!!-----------------------------

 0 [PCH            ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
                      HDA Intel PCH at 0xa0600000 irq 46


!!PCI Soundcards installed in the system
!!--------------------------------------

00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05)


!!Advanced information - PCI Vendor/Device/Subsystem ID's
!!--------------------------------------------------------

00:1b.0 0403: 8086:1c20 (rev 05)
	Subsystem: 8086:7270


!!Modprobe options (Sound related)
!!--------------------------------

snd-atiixp-modem: index=-2
snd-intel8x0m: index=-2
snd-via82xx-modem: index=-2
snd-usb-audio: index=-2
snd-usb-caiaq: index=-2
snd-usb-ua101: index=-2
snd-usb-us122l: index=-2
snd-usb-usx2y: index=-2
snd-cmipci: mpu_port=0x330 fm_port=0x388
snd-pcsp: index=-2
snd-usb-audio: index=-2


!!Loaded sound module options
!!--------------------------

!!Module: snd_hda_intel
	align_buffer_size : -1
	bdl_pos_adj : 1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1
	beep_mode : 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
	enable : Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y
	enable_msi : -1
	id : (null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null)
	index : -1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1
	model : (null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null)
	patch : (null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null)
	position_fix : 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
	power_save : 0
	power_save_controller : Y
	probe_mask : -1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1
	probe_only : 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
	single_cmd : N
	snoop : Y


!!HDA-Intel Codec information
!!---------------------------
--startcollapse--

Codec: Cirrus Logic CS4206
Address: 0
AFG Function Id: 0x1 (unsol 0)
Vendor Id: 0x10134206
Subsystem Id: 0x106b6200
Revision Id: 0x100302
No Modem Function Group found
Default PCM:
    rates [0x7f0]: 32000 44100 48000 88200 96000 176400 192000
    bits [0x1e]: 16 20 24 32
    formats [0x3]: PCM FLOAT
Default Amp-In caps: N/A
Default Amp-Out caps: N/A
GPIO: io=4, o=0, i=0, unsolicited=0, wake=0
  IO[0]: enable=0, dir=0, wake=0, sticky=0, data=0, unsol=0
  IO[1]: enable=1, dir=1, wake=0, sticky=0, data=1, unsol=0
  IO[2]: enable=0, dir=0, wake=0, sticky=0, data=0, unsol=0
  IO[3]: enable=1, dir=1, wake=0, sticky=0, data=0, unsol=0
Node 0x02 [Audio Output] wcaps 0xd041d: Stereo Amp-Out
  Control: name="Master Playback Switch", index=0, device=0
  Control: name="Master Playback Volume", index=0, device=0
  Control: name="Headphone Playback Switch", index=0, device=0
    ControlAmp: chs=3, dir=Out, idx=0, ofs=0
  Control: name="Headphone Playback Volume", index=0, device=0
    ControlAmp: chs=3, dir=Out, idx=0, ofs=0
  Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x73, nsteps=0x7f, stepsize=0x01, mute=1
  Amp-Out vals:  [0x31 0x31]
  Converter: stream=8, channel=0
  PCM:
    rates [0x7f0]: 32000 44100 48000 88200 96000 176400 192000
    bits [0x1e]: 16 20 24 32
    formats [0x3]: PCM FLOAT
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 13 samples
Node 0x03 [Audio Output] wcaps 0xd041d: Stereo Amp-Out
  Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x73, nsteps=0x7f, stepsize=0x01, mute=1
  Amp-Out vals:  [0xf3 0xf3]
  Converter: stream=0, channel=0
  PCM:
    rates [0x7f0]: 32000 44100 48000 88200 96000 176400 192000
    bits [0x1e]: 16 20 24 32
    formats [0x3]: PCM FLOAT
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 13 samples
Node 0x04 [Audio Output] wcaps 0xd041d: Stereo Amp-Out
  Control: name="Speaker Playback Switch", index=0, device=0
    ControlAmp: chs=3, dir=Out, idx=0, ofs=0
  Control: name="Speaker Playback Volume", index=0, device=0
    ControlAmp: chs=3, dir=Out, idx=0, ofs=0
  Device: name="Cirrus Analog", type="Audio", device=0
  Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x73, nsteps=0x7f, stepsize=0x01, mute=1
  Amp-Out vals:  [0x80 0x80]
  Converter: stream=8, channel=0
  PCM:
    rates [0x7f0]: 32000 44100 48000 88200 96000 176400 192000
    bits [0x1e]: 16 20 24 32
    formats [0x3]: PCM FLOAT
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 13 samples
Node 0x05 [Audio Input] wcaps 0x18051b: Stereo Amp-In
  Amp-In caps: ofs=0x33, nsteps=0x3f, stepsize=0x03, mute=1
  Amp-In vals:  [0xb3 0xb3] [0xb3 0xb3]
  Converter: stream=0, channel=0
  SDI-Select: 0
  PCM:
    rates [0x1f5]: 8000 16000 32000 44100 48000 88200 96000
    bits [0x1e]: 16 20 24 32
    formats [0x3]: PCM FLOAT
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 8 samples
  Connection: 2
     0x0c* 0x12
Node 0x06 [Audio Input] wcaps 0x18051b: Stereo Amp-In
  Control: name="Capture Switch", index=0, device=0
  Control: name="Capture Volume", index=0, device=0
  Device: name="Cirrus Analog", type="Audio", device=0
  Amp-In caps: ofs=0x33, nsteps=0x3f, stepsize=0x03, mute=1
  Amp-In vals:  [0x3f 0x3f] [0x3f 0x3f]
  Converter: stream=0, channel=0
  SDI-Select: 0
  PCM:
    rates [0x1f5]: 8000 16000 32000 44100 48000 88200 96000
    bits [0x1e]: 16 20 24 32
    formats [0x3]: PCM FLOAT
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 8 samples
  Connection: 2
     0x0d* 0x0e
Node 0x07 [Audio Input] wcaps 0x180791: Stereo Digital
  Converter: stream=0, channel=0
  SDI-Select: 0
  Digital: Preemphasis Copyright
  Digital category: 0x0
  PCM:
    rates [0x570]: 32000 44100 48000 96000 192000
    bits [0x1e]: 16 20 24 32
    formats [0x7]: PCM FLOAT AC3
  Unsolicited: tag=00, enabled=0
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 8 samples
  Connection: 1
     0x0f
Node 0x08 [Audio Output] wcaps 0x40611: Stereo Digital
  Converter: stream=0, channel=0
  Digital:
  Digital category: 0x0
  PCM:
    rates [0x7f0]: 32000 44100 48000 88200 96000 176400 192000
    bits [0x1e]: 16 20 24 32
    formats [0x7]: PCM FLOAT AC3
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 4 samples
Node 0x09 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x410581: Stereo
  Control: name="Headphone Jack", index=0, device=0
  Pincap 0x0000001c: OUT HP Detect
  Pin Default 0x012b4030: [Jack] HP Out at Ext Rear
    Conn = Comb, Color = Green
    DefAssociation = 0x3, Sequence = 0x0
  Pin-ctls: 0xc0: OUT HP
  Unsolicited: tag=01, enabled=1
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 1 samples
  Connection: 1
     0x02
Node 0x0a [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x410581: Stereo
  Pincap 0x00000054: OUT Detect Balanced
  Pin Default 0x400000f0: [N/A] Line Out at Ext N/A
    Conn = Unknown, Color = Unknown
    DefAssociation = 0xf, Sequence = 0x0
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
  Unsolicited: tag=00, enabled=0
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 1 samples
  Connection: 1
     0x03
Node 0x0b [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x410101: Stereo
  Pincap 0x00000050: OUT Balanced
  Pin Default 0x90100120: [Fixed] Speaker at Int N/A
    Conn = Unknown, Color = Unknown
    DefAssociation = 0x2, Sequence = 0x0
    Misc = NO_PRESENCE
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
  Delay: 1 samples
  Connection: 1
     0x04
Node 0x0c [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x41048b: Stereo Amp-In
  Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x03, stepsize=0x27, mute=0
  Amp-In vals:  [0x00 0x00]
  Pincap 0x00000024: IN Detect
  Pin Default 0x400000f0: [N/A] Line Out at Ext N/A
    Conn = Unknown, Color = Unknown
    DefAssociation = 0xf, Sequence = 0x0
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
  Unsolicited: tag=00, enabled=0
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 1 samples
Node 0x0d [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x41048b: Stereo Amp-In
  Control: name="Mic Capture Volume", index=0, device=0
    ControlAmp: chs=3, dir=In, idx=0, ofs=0
  Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x03, stepsize=0x27, mute=0
  Amp-In vals:  [0x03 0x03]
  Pincap 0x00001764: IN Detect Balanced
    Vref caps: HIZ 50 GRD 80
  Pin Default 0x90a00110: [Fixed] Mic at Int N/A
    Conn = Unknown, Color = Unknown
    DefAssociation = 0x1, Sequence = 0x0
    Misc = NO_PRESENCE
  Pin-ctls: 0x24: IN VREF_80
  Unsolicited: tag=00, enabled=0
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 1 samples
Node 0x0e [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x41000b: Stereo Amp-In
  Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x02, stepsize=0x27, mute=0
  Amp-In vals:  [0x00 0x00]
  Pincap 0x00000020: IN
  Pin Default 0x400000f0: [N/A] Line Out at Ext N/A
    Conn = Unknown, Color = Unknown
    DefAssociation = 0xf, Sequence = 0x0
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
  Delay: 1 samples
Node 0x0f [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x410681: Stereo Digital
  Pincap 0x00000024: IN Detect
  Pin Default 0x400000f0: [N/A] Line Out at Ext N/A
    Conn = Unknown, Color = Unknown
    DefAssociation = 0xf, Sequence = 0x0
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
  Unsolicited: tag=00, enabled=0
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 1 samples
Node 0x10 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x410301: Stereo Digital
  Pincap 0x00000010: OUT
  Pin Default 0x400000f0: [N/A] Line Out at Ext N/A
    Conn = Unknown, Color = Unknown
    DefAssociation = 0xf, Sequence = 0x0
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
  Delay: 1 samples
  Connection: 1
     0x08
Node 0x11 [Vendor Defined Widget] wcaps 0xf00040: Mono
  Processing caps: benign=0, ncoeff=22
Node 0x12 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x41000b: Stereo Amp-In
  Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x02, stepsize=0x27, mute=0
  Amp-In vals:  [0x00 0x00]
  Pincap 0x00000020: IN
  Pin Default 0x400000f0: [N/A] Line Out at Ext N/A
    Conn = Unknown, Color = Unknown
    DefAssociation = 0xf, Sequence = 0x0
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
  Delay: 1 samples
Node 0x13 [Beep Generator Widget] wcaps 0x700000: Mono
Node 0x14 [Audio Output] wcaps 0x40611: Stereo Digital
  Converter: stream=0, channel=0
  Digital:
  Digital category: 0x0
  PCM:
    rates [0x7f0]: 32000 44100 48000 88200 96000 176400 192000
    bits [0x1e]: 16 20 24 32
    formats [0x7]: PCM FLOAT AC3
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Delay: 4 samples
Node 0x15 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x410301: Stereo Digital
  Pincap 0x00000010: OUT
  Pin Default 0x400000f0: [N/A] Line Out at Ext N/A
    Conn = Unknown, Color = Unknown
    DefAssociation = 0xf, Sequence = 0x0
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
  Delay: 1 samples
  Connection: 1
     0x14
Codec: Intel CougarPoint HDMI
Address: 3
AFG Function Id: 0x1 (unsol 0)
Vendor Id: 0x80862805
Subsystem Id: 0x80860101
Revision Id: 0x100000
No Modem Function Group found
Default PCM:
    rates [0x0]:
    bits [0x0]:
    formats [0x0]:
Default Amp-In caps: N/A
Default Amp-Out caps: N/A
GPIO: io=0, o=0, i=0, unsolicited=0, wake=0
Node 0x02 [Audio Output] wcaps 0x6611: 8-Channels Digital
  Converter: stream=0, channel=0
  Digital: Enabled GenLevel
  Digital category: 0x2
  PCM:
    rates [0x7f0]: 32000 44100 48000 88200 96000 176400 192000
    bits [0x1e]: 16 20 24 32
    formats [0x5]: PCM AC3
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
Node 0x03 [Audio Output] wcaps 0x6611: 8-Channels Digital
  Converter: stream=0, channel=0
  Digital: Enabled GenLevel
  Digital category: 0x2
  PCM:
    rates [0x7f0]: 32000 44100 48000 88200 96000 176400 192000
    bits [0x1e]: 16 20 24 32
    formats [0x5]: PCM AC3
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
Node 0x04 [Audio Output] wcaps 0x6611: 8-Channels Digital
  Converter: stream=0, channel=0
  Digital: Enabled GenLevel
  Digital category: 0x2
  PCM:
    rates [0x7f0]: 32000 44100 48000 88200 96000 176400 192000
    bits [0x1e]: 16 20 24 32
    formats [0x5]: PCM AC3
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
Node 0x05 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x40778d: 8-Channels Digital Amp-Out CP
  Control: name="HDMI/DP,pcm=3 Jack", index=0, device=0
  Control: name="IEC958 Playback Con Mask", index=0, device=0
  Control: name="IEC958 Playback Pro Mask", index=0, device=0
  Control: name="IEC958 Playback Default", index=0, device=0
  Control: name="IEC958 Playback Switch", index=0, device=0
  Control: name="ELD", index=0, device=3
  Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
  Amp-Out vals:  [0x00 0x00]
  Pincap 0x09000094: OUT Detect HBR HDMI DP
  Pin Default 0x18560010: [Jack] Digital Out at Int HDMI
    Conn = Digital, Color = Unknown
    DefAssociation = 0x1, Sequence = 0x0
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
  Unsolicited: tag=01, enabled=1
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Connection: 1
     0x02
Node 0x06 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x40778d: 8-Channels Digital Amp-Out CP
  Control: name="HDMI/DP,pcm=7 Jack", index=0, device=0
  Control: name="IEC958 Playback Con Mask", index=1, device=0
  Control: name="IEC958 Playback Pro Mask", index=1, device=0
  Control: name="IEC958 Playback Default", index=1, device=0
  Control: name="IEC958 Playback Switch", index=1, device=0
  Control: name="ELD", index=0, device=7
  Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
  Amp-Out vals:  [0x00 0x00]
  Pincap 0x09000094: OUT Detect HBR HDMI DP
  Pin Default 0x18560010: [Jack] Digital Out at Int HDMI
    Conn = Digital, Color = Unknown
    DefAssociation = 0x1, Sequence = 0x0
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
  Unsolicited: tag=02, enabled=1
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Connection: 1
     0x03
Node 0x07 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x40778d: 8-Channels Digital Amp-Out CP
  Control: name="HDMI/DP,pcm=8 Jack", index=0, device=0
  Control: name="IEC958 Playback Con Mask", index=2, device=0
  Control: name="IEC958 Playback Pro Mask", index=2, device=0
  Control: name="IEC958 Playback Default", index=2, device=0
  Control: name="IEC958 Playback Switch", index=2, device=0
  Control: name="ELD", index=0, device=8
  Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
  Amp-Out vals:  [0x00 0x00]
  Pincap 0x09000094: OUT Detect HBR HDMI DP
  Pin Default 0x18560010: [Jack] Digital Out at Int HDMI
    Conn = Digital, Color = Unknown
    DefAssociation = 0x1, Sequence = 0x0
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
  Unsolicited: tag=03, enabled=1
  Power states:  D0 D3 EPSS
  Power: setting=D0, actual=D0
  Connection: 1
     0x04
Node 0x08 [Vendor Defined Widget] wcaps 0xf00000: Mono
--endcollapse--

  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-01  1:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-23 19:09 HDA intel, wired headset w/mic, jack mic detect Kevin Hilman
2012-02-24  6:25 ` David Henningsson
2012-02-28 17:55   ` Hilman, Kevin
2012-02-28 18:00     ` Mark Brown
2012-02-29 15:05     ` Raymond Yau
2012-02-29 15:26       ` Mark Brown
2012-02-29 19:08       ` Kevin Hilman
2012-02-29 23:43         ` Raymond Yau
2012-03-01  1:34           ` Kevin Hilman [this message]
2012-03-01  5:56             ` Raymond Yau
2012-03-01 18:22               ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-02  1:22                 ` Raymond Yau
2012-03-02 19:32                   ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-05  1:10                     ` Raymond Yau
2012-03-05 17:36                       ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-06  1:28                         ` Raymond Yau
2012-03-06  6:44                           ` Takashi Iwai
2012-03-06 20:25                             ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-06 20:32                               ` Takashi Iwai
2012-03-09 17:16                                 ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-14  0:50                                   ` Raymond Yau
2012-03-15 18:03                                     ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-15 23:57                                       ` Raymond Yau
2012-03-20 18:14                                     ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-01 17:25         ` Mark Brown
2012-03-01 17:46           ` Kevin Hilman

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