From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Florian Weimer Subject: Re: Can we drop upstream Linux x32 support? Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:42:34 +0100 Message-ID: <875zvwibbp.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com> References: <20181212165237.GT23599@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20181213124025.bczxzj6ez34joo6v@localhost> <20181213155744.GU23599@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <87o99pl8es.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com> <20181213162828.GW23599@brightrain.aerifal.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: In-Reply-To: <20181213162828.GW23599@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (Rich Felker's message of "Thu, 13 Dec 2018 11:28:28 -0500") Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org To: Rich Felker Cc: Catalin Marinas , Andy Lutomirski , tg@mirbsd.de, Linus Torvalds , X86 ML , LKML , Linux API , "H. Peter Anvin" , Peter Zijlstra , Borislav Petkov , Mike Frysinger , "H. J. Lu" , x32@buildd.debian.org, Arnd Bergmann , Will Deacon List-Id: linux-api@vger.kernel.org * Rich Felker: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 05:04:59PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: >> * Rich Felker: >> >> >> If the compiler can handle the zeroing, that would be great, though not >> >> sure how (some __attribute__((zero)) which generates a type constructor >> >> for such structure; it kind of departs from what the C language offers). >> > >> > The compiler fundamentally can't. At the very least it would require >> > effective type tracking, which requires shadow memory and is even more >> > controversial than -fstrict-aliasing (because in a sense it's a >> > stronger version thereof). >> >> It's possible to do it with the right types. See _Bool on 32-bit Darwin >> PowerPC for an example, which is four bytes instead of the usual one. >> >> Similarly, we could have integer types with trap representations. >> Whether it is a good idea is a different matter, but the amount of >> compiler magic required is actually limited. > > If you do this you just have LP64 with value range restricted to > 32-bit. You have to a type different from long int for the relevant struct fields. This type would have zero padding. Florian