From: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>
To: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>,
Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>
Cc: "Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
"Michel Dänzer" <michel@daenzer.net>,
"Javier Martinez Canillas" <javierm@redhat.com>,
dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Peter Robinson" <pbrobinson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/6] Cleanups for the nomodeset kernel command line parameter logic
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 12:37:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <877ddd4q40.fsf@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211112122239.26b3787c@eldfell>
On Fri, 12 Nov 2021, Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 11:09:13 +0100
> Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Am 12.11.21 um 10:39 schrieb Javier Martinez Canillas:
>> > Hello Pekka,
>> >
>> > On 11/12/21 09:56, Pekka Paalanen wrote:
>> >
>> > [snip]
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> these ideas make sense to me, so FWIW,
>> >>
>> >> Acked-by: Pekka Paalanen <pekka.paalanen@collabora.com>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> >> There is one nitpick I'd like to ask about:
>> >>
>> >> +bool drm_get_modeset(void)
>> >> +{
>> >> + return !drm_nomodeset;
>> >> +}
>> >> +EXPORT_SYMBOL(drm_get_modeset);
>> >>
>> >> Doesn't "get" have a special meaning in the kernel land, like "take a
>> >> strong reference on an object and return it"?
>> >
>> > That's a very good point.
>> >
>> >> As this is just returning bool without changing anything, the usual
>> >> word to use is "is". Since this function is also used at most once per
>> >> driver, which is rarely, it could have a long and descriptive name.
>> >>
>> >> For example:
>> >>
>> >> bool drm_is_modeset_driver_allowed(void);
>>
>> I'd nominate
>>
>> bool drm_native_drivers_enabled()
>>
>> This is what HW-specific drivers want to query in their init/probing
>> code. The actual semantics of this decision is hidden from the driver.
>> It's also easier to read than the other name IMHO
>
> Ok, but what is a "native driver"? Or a "non-native driver"?
> Is that established kernel terminology?
FWIW, it doesn't mean anything to me.
drm_modeset_enabled()?
*sigh* I worked so hard not to participate in this bikeshed. ;)
BR,
Jani.
>
> I'd think a non-native driver is something that e.g. ndiswrapper is
> loading. Is simpledrm like ndiswrapper in a sense? IIRC, simpledrm is
> the driver that would not consult this function, right?
>
>
> Thanks,
> pq
>
>>
>> Best regards
>> Thomas
>>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Yeah, naming is hard. Jani also mentioned that he didn't like this
>> > function name, so I don't mind to re-spin the series only for that.
>> >
>> >> - "drm" is the namespace
>> >> - "is" implies it is a read-only boolean inspection
>> >> - "modeset" is the feature being checked
>> >> - "driver" implies it is supposed gate driver loading or
>> >> initialization, rather than modesets after drivers have loaded
>> >> - "allowed" says it is asking about general policy rather than what a
>> >> driver does
>> >>
>> >
>> > I believe that name is more verbose than needed. But don't have a
>> > strong opinion and could use it if others agree.
>> >
>> >> Just a bikeshed, I'll leave it to actual kernel devs to say if this
>> >> would be more appropriate or worth it.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I think is worth it and better to do it now before the patches land, but
>> > we could wait for others to chime in.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > --
>> > Javier Martinez Canillas
>> > Linux Engineering
>> > Red Hat
>> >
>>
>
--
Jani Nikula, Intel Open Source Graphics Center
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>
To: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>,
Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>
Cc: "Javier Martinez Canillas" <javierm@redhat.com>,
"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
"Michel Dänzer" <michel@daenzer.net>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
"Peter Robinson" <pbrobinson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/6] Cleanups for the nomodeset kernel command line parameter logic
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 12:37:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <877ddd4q40.fsf@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211112122239.26b3787c@eldfell>
On Fri, 12 Nov 2021, Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 11:09:13 +0100
> Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Am 12.11.21 um 10:39 schrieb Javier Martinez Canillas:
>> > Hello Pekka,
>> >
>> > On 11/12/21 09:56, Pekka Paalanen wrote:
>> >
>> > [snip]
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> these ideas make sense to me, so FWIW,
>> >>
>> >> Acked-by: Pekka Paalanen <pekka.paalanen@collabora.com>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> >> There is one nitpick I'd like to ask about:
>> >>
>> >> +bool drm_get_modeset(void)
>> >> +{
>> >> + return !drm_nomodeset;
>> >> +}
>> >> +EXPORT_SYMBOL(drm_get_modeset);
>> >>
>> >> Doesn't "get" have a special meaning in the kernel land, like "take a
>> >> strong reference on an object and return it"?
>> >
>> > That's a very good point.
>> >
>> >> As this is just returning bool without changing anything, the usual
>> >> word to use is "is". Since this function is also used at most once per
>> >> driver, which is rarely, it could have a long and descriptive name.
>> >>
>> >> For example:
>> >>
>> >> bool drm_is_modeset_driver_allowed(void);
>>
>> I'd nominate
>>
>> bool drm_native_drivers_enabled()
>>
>> This is what HW-specific drivers want to query in their init/probing
>> code. The actual semantics of this decision is hidden from the driver.
>> It's also easier to read than the other name IMHO
>
> Ok, but what is a "native driver"? Or a "non-native driver"?
> Is that established kernel terminology?
FWIW, it doesn't mean anything to me.
drm_modeset_enabled()?
*sigh* I worked so hard not to participate in this bikeshed. ;)
BR,
Jani.
>
> I'd think a non-native driver is something that e.g. ndiswrapper is
> loading. Is simpledrm like ndiswrapper in a sense? IIRC, simpledrm is
> the driver that would not consult this function, right?
>
>
> Thanks,
> pq
>
>>
>> Best regards
>> Thomas
>>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Yeah, naming is hard. Jani also mentioned that he didn't like this
>> > function name, so I don't mind to re-spin the series only for that.
>> >
>> >> - "drm" is the namespace
>> >> - "is" implies it is a read-only boolean inspection
>> >> - "modeset" is the feature being checked
>> >> - "driver" implies it is supposed gate driver loading or
>> >> initialization, rather than modesets after drivers have loaded
>> >> - "allowed" says it is asking about general policy rather than what a
>> >> driver does
>> >>
>> >
>> > I believe that name is more verbose than needed. But don't have a
>> > strong opinion and could use it if others agree.
>> >
>> >> Just a bikeshed, I'll leave it to actual kernel devs to say if this
>> >> would be more appropriate or worth it.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I think is worth it and better to do it now before the patches land, but
>> > we could wait for others to chime in.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > --
>> > Javier Martinez Canillas
>> > Linux Engineering
>> > Red Hat
>> >
>>
>
--
Jani Nikula, Intel Open Source Graphics Center
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-11-12 10:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-11-08 14:06 [PATCH v4 0/6] Cleanups for the nomodeset kernel command line parameter logic Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-08 14:06 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-08 14:06 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] drm: Don't print messages if drivers are disabled due nomodeset Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-08 14:06 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-08 14:06 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] drm/vboxvideo: Drop CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE guard to call vgacon_text_force() Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-08 14:06 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-08 14:06 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] drm: Move nomodeset kernel parameter to the DRM subsystem Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-08 14:06 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-08 14:06 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] drm: Decouple nomodeset from CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-08 14:06 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-08 14:06 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] Documentation/admin-guide: Document nomodeset kernel parameter Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-08 14:06 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-08 14:06 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] drm: Make the nomodeset message less sensational Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-08 14:06 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-08 14:17 ` [PATCH v4 0/6] Cleanups for the nomodeset kernel command line parameter logic Thomas Zimmermann
2021-11-08 14:17 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2021-11-12 8:56 ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-11-12 8:56 ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-11-12 9:39 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-12 9:39 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-12 10:09 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2021-11-12 10:22 ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-11-12 10:22 ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-11-12 10:35 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-12 10:37 ` Jani Nikula [this message]
2021-11-12 10:37 ` Jani Nikula
2021-11-12 10:57 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2021-11-12 11:20 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-12 11:20 ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2021-11-12 11:23 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2021-11-12 12:10 ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-11-12 12:10 ` Pekka Paalanen
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