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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>
To: Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
Cc: bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@fb.com>, Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>,
	Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	KP Singh <kpsingh@kernel.org>,
	Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>,
	Vlad Buslov <vladbu@nvidia.com>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Joe Stringer <joe@cilium.io>,
	Quentin Monnet <quentin@isovalent.com>,
	Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC bpf-next 0/7] Add bpf_link based TC-BPF API
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:54:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877divs5py.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAM_iQpW7ZAz5rLAanMRg7R52Pn55N=puVkvoHcHF618wq8uA1g@mail.gmail.com>

Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com> writes:

>> > I offer two different views here:
>> >
>> > 1. If you view a TC filter as an instance as a netdev/qdisc/action, they
>> > are no different from this perspective. Maybe the fact that a TC filter
>> > resides in a qdisc makes a slight difference here, but like I mentioned, it
>> > actually makes sense to let TC filters be standalone, qdisc's just have to
>> > bind with them, like how we bind TC filters with standalone TC actions.
>>
>> You propose something different below IIUC, but I explained why I'm wary of
>> these unbound filters. They seem to add a step to classifier setup for no real
>> benefit to the user (except keeping track of one more object and cleaning it
>> up with the link when done).
>
> I am not even sure if unbound filters help your case at all, making
> them unbound merely changes their residence, not ownership.
> You are trying to pass the ownership from TC to bpf_link, which
> is what I am against.

So what do you propose instead?

bpf_link is solving a specific problem: ensuring automatic cleanup of
kernel resources held by a userspace application with a BPF component.
Not all applications work this way, but for the ones that do it's very
useful. But if the TC filter stays around after bpf_link detaches, that
kinda defeats the point of the automatic cleanup.

So I don't really see any way around transferring ownership somehow.
Unless you have some other idea that I'm missing?

-Toke


  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-15 11:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-28 19:59 [PATCH RFC bpf-next 0/7] Add bpf_link based TC-BPF API Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2021-05-28 19:59 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 1/7] net: sched: refactor cls_bpf creation code Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2021-05-28 19:59 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 2/7] bpf: export bpf_link functions for modules Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2021-05-28 19:59 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 3/7] net: sched: add bpf_link API for bpf classifier Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2021-05-28 22:37   ` kernel test robot
2021-05-28 23:18   ` kernel test robot
2021-06-02 20:56   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2021-05-28 19:59 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 4/7] net: sched: add lightweight update path for cls_bpf Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2021-05-28 19:59 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 5/7] tools: bpf.h: sync with kernel sources Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2021-05-28 19:59 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 6/7] libbpf: add bpf_link based TC-BPF management API Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2021-06-02 21:03   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2021-05-28 19:59 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 7/7] libbpf: add selftest for " Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2021-06-02 21:09 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 0/7] Add bpf_link based TC-BPF API Andrii Nakryiko
2021-06-02 21:45   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2021-06-02 23:50     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2021-06-04  6:43       ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2021-06-06 23:37 ` Cong Wang
2021-06-07  3:37   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2021-06-07  5:18     ` Cong Wang
2021-06-07  6:07       ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2021-06-08  2:00         ` Cong Wang
2021-06-08  7:19           ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2021-06-08 15:39             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2021-06-11  2:10               ` Cong Wang
2021-06-11  2:00             ` Cong Wang
2021-06-13  2:53               ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2021-06-13 20:27                 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-06-13 20:34                   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2021-06-13 21:10                     ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-06-14 13:03                       ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
2021-06-15 23:07                       ` Daniel Borkmann
2021-06-16 14:40                         ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-06-16 15:32                           ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2021-06-16 16:00                             ` Daniel Borkmann
2021-06-18 11:40                               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-06-18 14:38                                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2021-06-18 14:50                                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-06-18 16:23                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2021-06-18 16:41                                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-06-18 22:42                                 ` Daniel Borkmann
2021-06-21 13:55                                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-06-15  4:33                 ` Cong Wang
2021-06-15 11:54                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2021-06-15 23:44                     ` Daniel Borkmann
2021-06-16 12:03                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-06-16 15:33                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2021-06-13  3:08               ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi

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