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Tsirkin" , Paolo Bonzini , qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Alex =?utf-8?Q?Benn=C3=A9e?= , Alistair Francis , BALATON Zoltan , Fabiano Rosas , Kevin Wolf , Warner Losh , Philippe =?utf-8?Q?Mathieu-Daud=C3=A9?= , Paolo Bonzini Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] docs/devel: relax policy on AI-generated contributions In-Reply-To: ("Daniel P. =?utf-8?Q?Berrang?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9=22's?= message of "Fri, 7 Aug 2026 15:41:45 +0100") References: <20260529094619.1034458-1-pbonzini@redhat.com> <20260802154350-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2026 16:53:13 +0200 Message-ID: <878q6infs6.fsf@pond.sub.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.4.1 on 10.30.177.4 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=170.10.133.124; envelope-from=armbru@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-Spam_score_int: -32 X-Spam_score: -3.3 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.238, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: qemu development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Daniel P. Berrang=C3=A9 writes: > On Fri, Aug 07, 2026 at 01:39:32PM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote: [...] >> I don't think we should have AI generated docs, including >> developer docs, as I noted somewhere up thread. That's not for >> any particular copyright reasons, it's because we need actual >> humans to be understanding and writing the documentation, >> because it can't be easily cross-checked by tests. > > IME, it is by writing docs for a feature, that you come to learn about > the flaws / gaps in the thing that is implemented, which feeds back to > improve the code. Generating docs you're just going get text that > reflects the state of the code without the learning & improvement > experiance. 100%. Attempting to write contracts for crap I wrote has made me recognize it as crap so many times. > I don't think we should have an exception for tests either. If we > have code in the tests directory that is generalized to become > part of the broader codebase, we shouldn't have to think about the > history of whether the tests code was AI generated. > > The boundary between docs and code is also not entirely clear cut > and intermingled in areas like command line help, QAPI inline > docs, API doc comments,and so on. > > IMHO all content in the repository should be treated the equivalently > and held to a common standard. IOW, *if* we decide it is reasonable to > allow limited AI/LLM usage in some manner, prefer to do that universally > rather than trying to be very selective across sub-directories/files. > > Simplicity & clarity of rules makes it more likely that people will > actually be able to follow them. Also reduces rules-lawyering temptation.