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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, ldoktor@redhat.com, famz@redhat.com,
	stefanha@gmail.com, Amador Pahim <apahim@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, mreitz@redhat.com, crosa@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 3/7] qemu.py: use python logging system
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 08:17:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878tikf34o.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170815195827.GW3108@localhost.localdomain> (Eduardo Habkost's message of "Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:58:27 -0300")

Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com> writes:

> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:10:12AM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> Please spell "Python" with a capital "P" (it's a proper name).
>> 
>> Amador Pahim <apahim@redhat.com> writes:
>> 
>> > Let's provide extra control and flexibility by using python logging
>> > system instead of print and/or sys.std*.write().
>> >
>> > Signed-off-by: Amador Pahim <apahim@redhat.com>
>> 
>> How exactly does this change error messages?
>> 
>> Is logging the right tool to report errors to the human user?  I'm
>> asking because logging and error reporting are generally separate
>> things.  Example: a program runs into a recoverable error.  It logs the
>> error, but does not report it.
>> 
>> Is reporting errors to stderr the right thing to do for library class
>> QEMUMachine?  I doubt it.  Libraries throw exceptions and let their
>> users decide how to handle them.
>
> I believe the "qemu received signal" event is supposed to be
> logged, not necessarily reported.  Callers can then choose where
> the log messages should go (scripts could choose to send them
> directly to stderr if verbose or debugging mode is enabled).  We
> don't even need an exception for it: we can let callers check
> exitcode() and decide what to do about the QEMU exit code.

Makes sense.

> The send_fd_scm() messages, on the other hand, could become
> exceptions, and don't need the logging system at all.

I think we all agree that printing to stderr is not a good idea for this
library class.  Instead of a blanket conversion to logging without
further explanation, I'd like to see cleanup with rationale such as
yours.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-16  6:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-31  8:51 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 0/7] scripts/qemu.py fixes and cleanups Amador Pahim
2017-07-31  8:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 1/7] qemu.py: use poll() instead of 'returncode' Amador Pahim
2017-07-31 14:07   ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-07-31  8:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 2/7] qemu.py: fix is_running() return before first launch() Amador Pahim
2017-08-01 10:09   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-08-01 10:50     ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-08-01 12:56       ` Amador Pahim
2017-08-02 13:35         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-31  8:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 3/7] qemu.py: use python logging system Amador Pahim
2017-07-31 14:50   ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-07-31 15:05     ` Amador Pahim
2017-08-15  8:10   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-15 19:58     ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-08-16  6:17       ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2017-08-18 12:24         ` Amador Pahim
2017-07-31  8:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 4/7] qemu.py: improve message on negative exit code Amador Pahim
2017-08-15  8:26   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-18 12:24     ` Amador Pahim
2017-08-18 13:57       ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-18 14:33         ` Amador Pahim
2017-07-31  8:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 5/7] qemu.py: use os.path.null instead of /dev/null Amador Pahim
2017-08-01 10:11   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-08-22  2:24   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2017-07-31  8:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 6/7] qemu.py: cleanup and improve launch()/shutdown() Amador Pahim
2017-08-15  8:45   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-07-31  8:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 7/7] qemu.py: include debug information on launch error Amador Pahim
2017-08-15  8:57   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-18 12:42     ` Amador Pahim
2017-08-18 14:01       ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-18 14:49         ` Amador Pahim
2017-08-21  9:14           ` Markus Armbruster

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