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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
To: Chuyi Zhou <zhouchuyi@bytedance.com>,
	mingo@redhat.com, luto@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	paulmck@kernel.org, muchun.song@linux.dev, bp@alien8.de,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	bigeasy@linutronix.de, clrkwllms@kernel.org, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	nadav.amit@gmail.com, vkuznets@redhat.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 04/14] smp: Use task-local IPI cpumask in smp_call_function_many_cond()
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2026 21:07:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a4shi0ix.ffs@fw13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8d3587e6-e3a1-40f5-ba0d-65583a2f1ecb@bytedance.com>

On Fri, Jun 26 2026 at 23:47, Chuyi Zhou wrote:
> On 2026-06-26 10:29 p.m., Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>>> -	err = scs_prepare(tsk, node);
>>> +	err = smp_task_ipi_mask_alloc(tsk);
>> 
>> Hrm. So we unconditionally allocate another per task CPU mask. How many
>> task actually utilize it?
>> 
>> We keep making task_struct and the related things larger every other
>> release without actually looking at the resulting overall memory
>> consumption.
>> 
>
> Thanks, this is a fair concern.
>
> The task-local cpumask approach came from the earlier discussion with
> Sebastian and Nadav. The problem we tried to solve there was the 
> lifetime of the wait mask once the later patch re-enables preemption 
> before csd_lock_wait(). At that point the wait mask can no longer be the 
> per-CPU cfd->cpumask: the task may be preempted or migrate while it is 
> still iterating the mask, and another task running on the original CPU 
> could enter smp_call_function_many_cond() and reuse that per-CPU mask.
>
> I agree that the memory cost needs to be called out explicitly. The
> current implementation trades one task-local cpumask for a stable mask
> lifetime and avoids adding allocation/failure handling to the generic 
> IPI path.
>
> I considered avoiding the fork-time allocation, but the alternatives do
> not look straightforward:
>
> - stack storage is not suitable for large NR_CPUS/CPUMASK_OFFSTACK 
> configurations;
>
> - per-CPU storage is exactly what becomes unsafe once the wait is made
> preemptible;
>
> - allocating the mask in smp_call_function_many_cond() would put an
> allocation in the generic IPI path. It also cannot rely on a sleeping
> allocation because this function is entered from contexts which have
> historically only required preemption to be disabled. Using GFP_ATOMIC
> would need a failure/fallback path, in which case the latency
> improvement becomes opportunistic rather than guaranteed.
>
> For the motivating x86 TLB flush paths, the users are also not a small
> static set of tasks. Ordinary tasks can hit this through exit, unmap,
> reclaim, etc., so I do not see a clean way to allocate this only for a
> pre-identifiable subset of tasks.

I understand that, but this all wants to be spelled out in the change
log and explained.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-06-26 19:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-16 11:11 [PATCH v8 00/14] Allow preemption during IPI completion waiting to improve real-time performance Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 01/14] smp: Disable preemption explicitly in __csd_lock_wait() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 13:38   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 02/14] smp: Enable preemption early in smp_call_function_single() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 13:44   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 03/14] smp: Refactor remote CPU selection in smp_call_function_any() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 13:49   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 04/14] smp: Use task-local IPI cpumask in smp_call_function_many_cond() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 14:29   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-26 15:47     ` Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 16:07       ` Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 19:07       ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2026-06-27  0:52         ` Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 05/14] smp: Alloc percpu csd data in smpcfd_prepare_cpu() only once Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 14:32   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 06/14] smp: Enable preemption early in smp_call_function_many_cond() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 14:40   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 07/14] smp: Remove preempt_disable() from smp_call_function() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 14:42   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 08/14] smp: Remove preempt_disable() from on_each_cpu_cond_mask() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 09/14] scftorture: Remove preempt_disable() in scftorture_invoke_one() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 14:44   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 10/14] x86/mm: Factor out flush_tlb_info initialization Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-16 13:14   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 11/14] x86/mm: Cap flush_tlb_info alignment at 64 bytes Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-16 13:20   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-06-16 15:36     ` Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 14:49   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 12/14] x86/mm: Move flush_tlb_info back to the stack Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-26 14:57   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 13/14] x86/kvm: Disable preemption in kvm_flush_tlb_multi() Chuyi Zhou
2026-06-16 13:46   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-06-16 11:11 ` [PATCH v8 14/14] x86/mm: Re-enable preemption before flush_tlb_multi() Chuyi Zhou

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