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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Tao Xu <tao3.xu@intel.com>
Cc: "lvivier@redhat.com" <lvivier@redhat.com>,
	"thuth@redhat.com" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"ehabkost@redhat.com" <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	"mst@redhat.com" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"sw@weilnetz.de" <sw@weilnetz.de>, "Du, Fan" <fan.du@intel.com>,
	"mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com" <mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"jonathan.cameron@huawei.com" <jonathan.cameron@huawei.com>,
	"imammedo@redhat.com" <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	"Liu, Jingqi" <jingqi.liu@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v17 01/14] util/cutils: Add Add qemu_strtold and qemu_strtold_finite
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 14:54:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a78ispyc.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8088b091-8f7c-a637-6333-e7c40935974f@intel.com> (Tao Xu's message of "Mon, 25 Nov 2019 09:05:34 +0800")

Tao Xu <tao3.xu@intel.com> writes:

> Hi Markus,
>
> Do you have any comments on this patch and 02/14 05/14 06/14.
> Thank you!

These provide a new QAPI built-in type 'time'.  It's like 'uint64' with
an implied nanoseconds unit, and additional convenience syntax in the
opts visitor and the keyval qobject input visitor.  Patterned after
'size'.

The only use of 'time' so far is member @latency of NumaOptions member
@hmap-lb.  Uses of that:

* QMP command set-numa-node

  The convenience syntax does not apply, as QMP uses the regular qobject
  input visitor, not the keyval one.

* CLI option -numa

  We first parse the option argument with QemuOpts, then convert it to
  NumaOptions with the opts visitor.

  The new built-in type 'time' gets used in -numa hmat-lb,...,latency=T

Questions / observations:

* The keyval qobject input visitor's support for 'time' appears to be
  unused for now.

* What's the anticipated range of values for -numa
  hmat-lb,...,latency=T?  I'm asking because I wonder whether we really
  need convenience syntax there.

* Sure you want fractions?

  Supporting fractions for byte counts (e.g.  1.5G) has been a mixed
  blessing, to put it charitably.

  Use of fractions that aren't representable as double is not advisable.
  For instance, 1.1G is 1181116006 bytes rounded from
  1181116006.4000001.  Why would anybody want that?

  Use of "nice" fractions is unproblematic, but the additional
  convenience is rather minor.  Is being able to write 1536M as 1.5G
  worth the trouble?  Meh.

  With "metric" rather than "binary" suffixes, fractions provide even
  less convenience: 1.5ms vs. 1500us.

  The implementation is limited to 53 bits of precision, which has been
  a source of confusion.  Even that has arguably taken far more patches
  than it's worth.  We're now talking about more patches to lift the
  restriction.  Meh.

  What exactly are we trying to achieve by supporting fractions?

* What about all the other time-valued things in the QAPI schema?

  There are many more, and some of them are also visible in CLI or HMP.
  By providing convenience syntax for just -numa hmat-lb,...,latency=T,
  we create inconsistency.

  To avoid it, we'd have to hunt down all the others.  But some of them
  aren't in nanoseconds.  Your new built-in type 'time' is only
  applicable to the ones in nanoseconds.  Do we need more built-in
  types?

This series is at v17.  I really, really want to tell you it's ready for
merging.  But as you see, I can't.

Maybe the convenience syntax is a good idea, maybe it's a bad idea.  But
it's definitely not a must-have idea.

If you want to pursue the idea, I recommend to split this series in two:
one part without the convenience, and a second part adding it.
Hopefully, we can then merge the first part without too much fuss.  The
second part will have to deal with the questions above.

You can also shelve the idea, i.e. do just the first part now.  It's
what I'd do.



  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-26 14:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-22  7:48 [PATCH v17 00/14] Build ACPI Heterogeneous Memory Attribute Table (HMAT) Tao Xu
2019-11-22  7:48 ` [PATCH v17 01/14] util/cutils: Add Add qemu_strtold and qemu_strtold_finite Tao Xu
2019-11-25  1:05   ` Tao Xu
2019-11-26 13:54     ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2019-11-27  4:37       ` Tao Xu
2019-11-27  6:44         ` Markus Armbruster
2019-11-27  7:22           ` Tao Xu
2019-11-25  6:45   ` Markus Armbruster
2019-11-22  7:48 ` [PATCH v17 02/14] util/cutils: Use qemu_strtold_finite to parse size Tao Xu
2019-11-25  6:56   ` Markus Armbruster
2019-11-26  8:31     ` Tao Xu
2019-11-26  9:33       ` Markus Armbruster
2019-11-22  7:48 ` [PATCH v17 03/14] util/cutils: refactor do_strtosz() to support suffixes list Tao Xu
2019-11-25  7:20   ` Markus Armbruster
2019-11-25 12:15     ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-11-26 10:04       ` Markus Armbruster
2019-11-26 10:33         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-11-26 12:37           ` Markus Armbruster
2019-11-26 15:46         ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-11-26 10:27   ` Markus Armbruster
2019-11-22  7:48 ` [PATCH v17 04/14] util/cutils: Add qemu_strtotime_ns() Tao Xu
2019-11-22  7:48 ` [PATCH v17 05/14] qapi: Add builtin type time Tao Xu
2019-11-25  8:04   ` Markus Armbruster
2019-11-22  7:48 ` [PATCH v17 06/14] tests: Add test for QAPI " Tao Xu
2019-11-25  9:08   ` Markus Armbruster
2019-11-22  7:48 ` [PATCH v17 07/14] numa: Extend CLI to provide initiator information for numa nodes Tao Xu
2019-11-22  7:48 ` [PATCH v17 08/14] numa: Extend CLI to provide memory latency and bandwidth information Tao Xu
2019-11-22  7:48 ` [PATCH v17 09/14] numa: Extend CLI to provide memory side cache information Tao Xu
2019-11-22 12:21   ` Igor Mammedov
2019-11-22  7:48 ` [PATCH v17 10/14] hmat acpi: Build Memory Proximity Domain Attributes Structure(s) Tao Xu
2019-11-22  7:48 ` [PATCH v17 11/14] hmat acpi: Build System Locality Latency and Bandwidth Information Structure(s) Tao Xu
2019-11-22  7:48 ` [PATCH v17 12/14] hmat acpi: Build Memory Side Cache " Tao Xu
2019-11-22 12:32   ` Igor Mammedov
2019-11-25  1:10     ` Tao Xu
2019-11-22  7:48 ` [PATCH v17 13/14] tests/numa: Add case for QMP build HMAT Tao Xu
2019-11-22 12:45   ` Igor Mammedov
2019-11-22  7:48 ` [PATCH v17 14/14] tests/bios-tables-test: add test cases for ACPI HMAT Tao Xu
2019-11-22  8:41 ` [PATCH v17 00/14] Build ACPI Heterogeneous Memory Attribute Table (HMAT) no-reply
2019-11-22  9:17 ` no-reply
2019-11-22 12:38   ` Igor Mammedov
2019-11-25  1:08     ` Tao Xu

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