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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com>
Cc: John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@android.com,
	Lei Chen <lei.chen@smartx.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] time/timekeeping: Fix possible inconsistencies in _COARSE clockids
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 18:32:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bjtmxtuc.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z-Vx8kV4M3khPknC@localhost>

On Thu, Mar 27 2025 at 16:42, Miroslav Lichvar wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 10:22:31AM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>> The original implementation respected this base period, but John's
>> approach of forwarding, which cures the coarse time getter issue,
>> violates it. As a consequence the previous error accumulation is not
>> longer based on the base period because the period has been reset to the
>> random point in time when adjtimex() was invoked, which makes the error
>> accumulation a random number.
>
> I see, so that value of the NTP error is already wrong at that point
> where it's reset to 0.
>
> To clearly see the difference with the new code, I made an attempt
> to update the old linux-tktest simulation that was used back when the
> multiplier adjustment was reworked, but there are too many missing
> things now and I gave up.

Can you point me to that code?

It would be probably useful to create a test mechanism which allows to
exercise all of this in a simulated way so we actually don't have to
wonder every time we change a bit what the consequences are.

Thanks,

        tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-27 17:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-20 20:03 [PATCH v2 1/2] time/timekeeping: Fix possible inconsistencies in _COARSE clockids John Stultz
2025-03-20 20:03 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] selftests/timers: Improve skew_consistency by testing with other clockids John Stultz
2025-03-21 18:35   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for John Stultz
2025-03-21 18:35 ` [tip: timers/core] timekeeping: Fix possible inconsistencies in _COARSE clockids tip-bot2 for John Stultz
2025-03-25 11:32 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] time/timekeeping: " Miroslav Lichvar
2025-03-27  9:22   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-27 15:42     ` Miroslav Lichvar
2025-03-27 17:32       ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2025-03-31  7:53         ` Miroslav Lichvar
2025-04-17  2:55           ` John Stultz
2025-03-31 14:53       ` Miroslav Lichvar
2025-04-01  6:34         ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-01 11:19           ` Miroslav Lichvar
2025-04-01 18:29             ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-03  8:32               ` Miroslav Lichvar
2025-04-03 11:29                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-05 21:40                   ` [PATCH] timekeeping: Prevent coarse clocks going backwards Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-17  5:29                     ` John Stultz
2025-04-17 12:36                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-18  0:46                     ` John Stultz
2025-04-18  6:37                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-18  7:00                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-19  5:55                           ` John Stultz
2025-04-18 18:40                         ` John Stultz
2025-04-19  5:46                           ` [PATCH v3] " John Stultz
2025-04-24 16:02                             ` [tip: timers/urgent] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-28  9:28                             ` tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2025-04-04 17:22         ` [tip: timers/urgent] Revert "timekeeping: Fix possible inconsistencies in _COARSE clockids" tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner

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