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[209.51.188.17]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n17-20020a05620a295100b006b90dcf6b30si462908qkp.696.2022.08.04.08.31.20 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 04 Aug 2022 08:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of qemu-arm-bounces+alex.bennee=linaro.org@nongnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.51.188.17; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@redhat.com header.s=mimecast20190719 header.b=YWWsrZVF; spf=pass (google.com: domain of qemu-arm-bounces+alex.bennee=linaro.org@nongnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="qemu-arm-bounces+alex.bennee=linaro.org@nongnu.org"; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=redhat.com Received: from localhost ([::1]:46444 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oJcoi-0007OR-Ad for alex.bennee@linaro.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:31:20 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55036) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oJcoD-0007K5-19 for qemu-arm@nongnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:30:52 -0400 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com ([170.10.129.124]:50156) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oJcoA-0008RU-GK for qemu-arm@nongnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:30:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1659627045; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=HjjoDrRt+Z99LDEg+TYoLdNecAFcWqX3uBfxYF1sm4s=; b=YWWsrZVF9LecJ1FJlG+DBr6zIbKloLxQUwLg8H+YDkCsv/U2nJCvQwDqUVkbC3ge1XnrFr SNTNlMEKDxLODGstqXAeEKEom8vvidyhE5oeUR77U6kF5tIF2ZV3m0i9S9dti4IpkUJudM LmP7dPPEqj1dUcnakg6PN7hr7JC0M8s= Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mimecast-mx02.redhat.com [66.187.233.88]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-65-FaZ2rS4gPwW3B_R13xVExg-1; Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:30:42 -0400 X-MC-Unique: FaZ2rS4gPwW3B_R13xVExg-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDB06801585; Thu, 4 Aug 2022 15:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blackfin.pond.sub.org (unknown [10.39.194.81]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EC8740CF8EA; Thu, 4 Aug 2022 15:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by blackfin.pond.sub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1B13C21E6930; Thu, 4 Aug 2022 17:30:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Markus Armbruster To: Daniel P. =?utf-8?Q?Berrang=C3=A9?= Cc: Markus Armbruster , Peter Maydell , Kevin Wolf , Hao Wu , richard.henderson@linaro.org, qemu-arm@nongnu.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, venture@google.com, Avi.Fishman@nuvoton.com, kfting@nuvoton.com, hskinnemoen@google.com, f4bug@amsat.org, bin.meng@windriver.com, qemu-block@nongnu.org, thuth@redhat.com, Hanna Reitz Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 5/8] blockdev: Add a new IF type IF_OTHER References: <20220714182836.89602-1-wuhaotsh@google.com> <20220714182836.89602-6-wuhaotsh@google.com> <87ilnuda33.fsf@pond.sub.org> <877d3odpm8.fsf@pond.sub.org> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2022 17:30:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: ("Daniel P. =?utf-8?Q?Berrang?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9=22's?= message of "Thu, 4 Aug 2022 16:17:59 +0100") Message-ID: <87bkt0c9gf.fsf@pond.sub.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.11.54.1 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=170.10.129.124; envelope-from=armbru@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.082, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-arm@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: qemu-arm-bounces+alex.bennee=linaro.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-arm" X-TUID: szri0JPiZ2GI Daniel P. Berrang=C3=A9 writes: > On Thu, Aug 04, 2022 at 04:56:15PM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote: >> Daniel P. Berrang=C3=A9 writes: >>=20 >> > On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 10:46:35AM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote: >> >> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 at 20:03, Kevin Wolf wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Am 18.07.2022 um 11:49 hat Markus Armbruster geschrieben: >> >> > > An OTP device isn't really a parallel flash, and neither are eFus= es. >> >> > > More fast-and-lose use of IF_PFLASH may exist in the tree, and ma= ybe of >> >> > > other interface types, too. >> >> > > >> >> > > This patch introduces IF_OTHER. The patch after next uses it for= an >> >> > > EEPROM device. >> >> > > >> >> > > Do we want IF_OTHER? >> >> > >> >> > What would the semantics even be? Any block device that doesn't pic= k up >> >> > a different category may pick up IF_OTHER backends? >> >> > >> >> > It certainly feels like a strange interface to ask for "other" disk= and >> >> > then getting as surprise what this other thing might be. It's >> >> > essentially the same as having an explicit '-device other', and I >> >> > suppose most people would find that strange. >> >> > >> >> > > If no, I guess we get to abuse IF_PFLASH some more. >> >> > > >> >> > > If yes, I guess we should use IF_PFLASH only for actual parallel = flash >> >> > > memory going forward. Cleaning up existing abuse of IF_PFLASH ma= y not >> >> > > be worth the trouble, though. >> >> > > >> >> > > Thoughts? >> >> > >> >> > If the existing types aren't good enough (I don't have an opinion on >> >> > whether IF_PFLASH is a good match), let's add a new one. But a spec= ific >> >> > new one, not just "other". >> >>=20 >> >> I think the common thread is "this isn't what anybody actually thinks >> >> of as being a 'disk', but we would like to back it with a block device >> >> anyway". That can cover a fair range of possibilities... >> > >> > Given that, do we even want/have to use -drive for this ? We can use >> > -blockdev for the backend and reference that from any -device we want >> > to create, and leave -drive out of the picture entirely >>=20 >> -drive is our only means to configure onboard devices. >>=20 >> We've talked about better means a few times, but no conclusions. I can >> dig up pointers, if you're interested. > > For onboard pflash with x86, we've just got properties against the > machine that we can point to a blockdev. True, but the vast majority of onboard block devices doesn't come with such properties. Please see Subject: On configuring onboard block devices with -blockdev (was: [PATCH v= 4 6/7] hw/nvram: Update at24c EEPROM init function in NPCM7xx boards) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 16:28:33 +0100 Message-ID: <875ystigke.fsf_-_@dusky.pond.sub.org> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2021-11/msg03173.html