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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: "Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@gmail.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Michael Roth <mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	QEMU <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>, John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 00/20] monitor: add asynchronous command type
Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 10:18:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87blzo1fa5.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+F1CJLuNVu_aWPjQtFwP_tLMqn=vd_gCtW7SWZWdhYMF6H7w@mail.gmail.com> ("Marc-André Lureau"'s message of "Sat, 25 May 2019 14:12:12 +0200")

Marc-André Lureau <marcandre.lureau@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 9:52 AM Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> wrote:
>> I'm not sure how asynchronous commands could support reconnect and
>> resume.
>
> The same way as current commands, including job commands.

Consider the following scenario: a management application such as
libvirt starts a long-running task with the intent to monitor it until
it finishes.  Half-way through, the management application needs to
disconnect and reconnect for some reason (systemctl restart, or crash &
recover, or whatever).

If the long-running task is a job, the management application can resume
after reconnect: the job's ID is as valid as it was before, and the
commands to query and control the job work as before.

What if it's and asynchronous command?

>> >> I'm ignoring "etc" unless you expand it into something specific.
>> >>
>> >> I'm also not taking the "weird" bait :)
>> >> > The following series implements an async command solution instead. By
>> >> > introducing a session context and a command return handler, it can:
>> >> > - defer the return, allowing the mainloop to reenter
>> >> > - return only to the caller (instead of broadcast events for reply)
>> >> > - optionnally allow cancellation when the client is gone
>> >> > - track on-going qapi command(s) per client/session
>> >> >
>> >> > and without introduction of new QMP APIs or client visible change.
>> >>
>> >> What do async commands provide that jobs lack?
>> >>
>> >> Why do we want both?
>> >
>> > They are different things, last we discussed it: jobs are geared
>> > toward block device operations,
>>
>> Historical accident.  We've discussed using them for non-blocky stuff,
>> such as migration.  Of course, discussions are cheap, code is what
>> counts.
>
> Using job API means providing new (& more complex) APIs to client.
>
> The screendump fix here doesn't need new API, it needs new internal
> dispatch of QMP commands: the purpose of this series.
>
> Whenever we can solve things on qemu side, I would rather not
> deprecate current API.

Making a synchronous command asynchronous definitely changes API.

You could still argue the change is easier to handle for QMP clients
than a replacement by a job.

[...]


  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-27  8:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-09 16:09 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 00/20] monitor: add asynchronous command type Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09 ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 01/20] qmp: constify QmpCommand and list Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 02/20] json-lexer: make it safe to call destroy multiple times Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 03/20] qmp: add QmpSession Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 04/20] QmpSession: add a return callback Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 05/20] QmpSession: add json parser and use it in qga Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 06/20] monitor: use qmp session to parse json feed Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 07/20] qga: simplify dispatch_return_cb Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 08/20] QmpSession: introduce QmpReturn Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 09/20] qmp: simplify qmp_return_error() Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 10/20] QmpSession: keep a queue of pending commands Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:09   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 11/20] QmpSession: return orderly Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 12/20] qmp: introduce asynchronous command type Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 13/20] scripts: learn 'async' qapi commands Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 14/20] qmp: add qmp_return_is_cancelled() Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 15/20] monitor: add qmp_return_get_monitor() Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 16/20] console: add graphic_hw_update_done() Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-10  8:43   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-04-10  8:43     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-04-09 16:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 17/20] console: make screendump asynchronous Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-10  8:48   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-04-10  8:48     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-07-15 19:09     ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-07-30 11:23       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-04-09 16:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 18/20] monitor: start making qmp_human_monitor_command() asynchronous Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 19/20] monitor: teach HMP about asynchronous commands Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 20/20] hmp: call the asynchronous QMP screendump to fix outdated/glitches Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 16:10   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-04-09 19:05 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 00/20] monitor: add asynchronous command type no-reply
2019-04-09 19:05   ` no-reply
2019-04-09 19:07 ` no-reply
2019-04-09 19:07   ` no-reply
2019-05-17 22:21 ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-05-21 14:17 ` Markus Armbruster
2019-05-21 14:50   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-05-23  7:52     ` Markus Armbruster
2019-05-25 12:12       ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-05-27  8:18         ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2019-05-27  9:07           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-05-27 13:23             ` Markus Armbruster
2019-05-27 15:17               ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-05-28  6:09               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-05-31  9:15               ` Kevin Wolf
2019-05-21 20:50   ` John Snow

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