From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from out-186.mta0.migadu.com (out-186.mta0.migadu.com [91.218.175.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AE1F4438B for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2025 18:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=91.218.175.186 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1756319332; cv=none; b=bMWNr0oISOBtj++qPTTma722EcBSsNTh31ckIfM3Mn3oIZvzPjBnOOmRnkPbPylaEXHoLlEKPwhSzTwZDAd7CNeWHJO6eksjoAob4x4Mry42Gu2YUjmV5JOwo3le5PyTi7fo/8KXqMPWvm9wtUuWJ6JF8AY7gBChdQnsDPPZG6g= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1756319332; c=relaxed/simple; bh=41wqfGoUvCOSCwBnkrsV8Al8LdILnHJRjtaAseQQoqo=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LWa4grpDJiQ4f6L4ebJ7JTXvj5ip3WoT74Lf/YqaulFZWxCWnPuT4PRQBVnZ21DVpPFNPlA9Eq1lnt5mv5usJDudHZSAQCK4OxqGhaRbvE5/PDfYjqrYqPpZC8g9rass5CRoEdEXSSLMvX8eB+KxJBTK7GrEPDbz7znHw0L+aKM= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=linux.dev; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=linux.dev; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linux.dev header.i=@linux.dev header.b=br5GY858; arc=none smtp.client-ip=91.218.175.186 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=linux.dev Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=linux.dev Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linux.dev header.i=@linux.dev header.b="br5GY858" X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linux.dev; s=key1; t=1756319318; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=41wqfGoUvCOSCwBnkrsV8Al8LdILnHJRjtaAseQQoqo=; b=br5GY858419c2v32Z6PeVsAhcd4ny8W0OEjE7Dz2x7cAsMc4ZJqVzZvOCCMyBwrVrq+YF8 LxtKzhK/A0nyt058rLDOO4MiQNGNYNdOd9QpQpuCYwX7sheyCWlUSVTAg9zJcoXx62I2wk s52wIEOFyTcYY/DopaL8X/Ux9zKB0kU= From: Roman Gushchin To: Alexei Starovoitov Cc: Martin KaFai Lau , Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi , linux-mm , bpf , Suren Baghdasaryan , Johannes Weiner , Michal Hocko , David Rientjes , Matt Bobrowski , Song Liu , Alexei Starovoitov , Andrew Morton , LKML Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 01/14] mm: introduce bpf struct ops for OOM handling In-Reply-To: (Alexei Starovoitov's message of "Tue, 26 Aug 2025 12:52:26 -0700") References: <20250818170136.209169-1-roman.gushchin@linux.dev> <20250818170136.209169-2-roman.gushchin@linux.dev> <87ms7tldwo.fsf@linux.dev> <1f2711b1-d809-4063-804b-7b2a3c8d933e@linux.dev> <87wm6rwd4d.fsf@linux.dev> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2025 11:28:29 -0700 Message-ID: <87cy8gty9e.fsf@linux.dev> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: bpf@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT Alexei Starovoitov writes: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 11:01=E2=80=AFAM Martin KaFai Lau wrote: >> >> On 8/25/25 10:00 AM, Roman Gushchin wrote: >> > Martin KaFai Lau writes: >> > >> >> On 8/20/25 5:24 PM, Roman Gushchin wrote: >> >>>> How is it decided who gets to run before the other? Is it based on >> >>>> order of attachment (which can be non-deterministic)? >> >>> Yeah, now it's the order of attachment. >> >>> >> >>>> There was a lot of discussion on something similar for tc progs, and >> >>>> we went with specific flags that capture partial ordering constrain= ts >> >>>> (instead of priorities that may collide). >> >>>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230719140858.13224-2-daniel@iogearbox= .net >> >>>> It would be nice if we can find a way of making this consistent. >> >> >> >> +1 >> >> >> >> The cgroup bpf prog has recently added the mprog api support also. If >> >> the simple order of attachment is not enough and needs to have >> >> specific ordering, we should make the bpf struct_ops support the same >> >> mprog api instead of asking each subsystem creating its own. >> >> >> >> fyi, another need for struct_ops ordering is to upgrade the >> >> BPF_PROG_TYPE_SOCK_OPS api to struct_ops for easier extension in the >> >> future. Slide 13 in >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wjKZth6T0llLJ_ONPAL_6Q_jbxbAjByp/view >> > >> > Does it mean it's better now to keep it simple in the context of oom >> > patches with the plan to later reuse the generic struct_ops >> > infrastructure? >> > >> > Honestly, I believe that the simple order of attachment should be >> > good enough for quite a while, so I'd not over-complicate this, >> > unless it's not fixable later. >> >> I think the simple attachment ordering is fine. Presumably the current l= ink list >> in patch 1 can be replaced by the mprog in the future. Other experts can= chime >> in if I have missed things. > > I don't think the proposed approach of: > list_for_each_entry_srcu(bpf_oom, &bpf_oom_handlers, node, false) { > is extensible without breaking things. > Sooner or later people will want bpf-oom handlers to be per > container, so we have to think upfront how to do it. > I would start with one bpf-oom prog per memcg and extend with mprog later. > Effectively placing 'struct bpf_oom_ops *' into oc->memcg, > and having one global bpf_oom_ops when oc->memcg =3D=3D NULL. > I'm sure other designs are possible, but lets make sure container scope > is designed from the beginning. > mprog-like multi prog behavior per container can be added later. Sounds good to me, will implement something like this in the next version. Thanks!