From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1XEKQJ-0006Nj-FB for mharc-qemu-trivial@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 11:43:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47081) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XEKQC-0006F5-9K for qemu-trivial@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 11:43:42 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XEKQ7-0000x7-CB for qemu-trivial@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 11:43:36 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:37727) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XEKPw-0000pz-0v; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 11:43:20 -0400 Received: from int-mx14.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx14.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.27]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s74FhGgA023066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Aug 2014 11:43:17 -0400 Received: from blackfin.pond.sub.org (ovpn-116-40.ams2.redhat.com [10.36.116.40]) by int-mx14.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s74FhDPI008601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 4 Aug 2014 11:43:15 -0400 Received: by blackfin.pond.sub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 46D843043FD2; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 17:43:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Markus Armbruster To: Michael Tokarev References: <53DE5538.1020701@gmail.com> <53DF3D74.9070503@msgid.tls.msk.ru> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2014 17:43:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <53DF3D74.9070503@msgid.tls.msk.ru> (Michael Tokarev's message of "Mon, 04 Aug 2014 11:59:48 +0400") Message-ID: <87d2cguupa.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.5.11.27 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 209.132.183.28 Cc: qemu-trivial@nongnu.org, Chen Gang , qemu-devel Subject: Re: [Qemu-trivial] [Qemu-devel] Cc'ing emails [ X-BeenThere: qemu-trivial@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2014 15:43:42 -0000 Michael Tokarev writes: > Please stop Cc'ing me emails sent to, at least, qemu-trivial@. I'll try to remember, but in general you can't expect everyone to keep tabs on who wants and who doesn't want to be copied. > I'm about to filter personal emails which are also sent to > some mailinglists I receive. I'd not do that, because this is > a good practice to Cc someone like that for various really > important or urgent emails, and if I to apply such a filter, > these urgent emails will be filtered too, obviously. > > I'm not sure how people treat these cases or deal with them. > We are subscribed to, in particular, qemu-devel@, and active > maintainers look there too, so receive more than one copy of > many emails. I believe fighting the established convention to copy is futile. I embrace it instead, and make it help me prioritize my reading. Copy me, and I'll at least skim cover letters and other thread-starters to determine whether I need to follow this thread. Don't copy me, and I'll at best glance at the subject in passing. Automatic filing into folders and marking copies so I don't have to mark them read twice helps. The additional traffic is a drop in a bucket. > It is becoming worse. With get_maintainer.pl pulling addresses > of people who made changes or commits to files by default, > contributing to the project becomes a bit dangerous. Because > as a result, once you fix something, you're essentially being > subscribed to a spam list, because other contributors start > Ccing you for the patches with which you have absolutely nothing > to do, and if a discussion emerges, you can't opt out of it > anymore (especially for patches which raise hot discussions). > So I'd rather think twice before contributing anything... That's sad. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46913) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XEKQ2-0006B6-Ld for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 11:43:31 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XEKPw-0000qP-9a for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 11:43:26 -0400 From: Markus Armbruster References: <53DE5538.1020701@gmail.com> <53DF3D74.9070503@msgid.tls.msk.ru> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2014 17:43:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <53DF3D74.9070503@msgid.tls.msk.ru> (Michael Tokarev's message of "Mon, 04 Aug 2014 11:59:48 +0400") Message-ID: <87d2cguupa.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Cc'ing emails [ List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Michael Tokarev Cc: qemu-trivial@nongnu.org, Chen Gang , qemu-devel Michael Tokarev writes: > Please stop Cc'ing me emails sent to, at least, qemu-trivial@. I'll try to remember, but in general you can't expect everyone to keep tabs on who wants and who doesn't want to be copied. > I'm about to filter personal emails which are also sent to > some mailinglists I receive. I'd not do that, because this is > a good practice to Cc someone like that for various really > important or urgent emails, and if I to apply such a filter, > these urgent emails will be filtered too, obviously. > > I'm not sure how people treat these cases or deal with them. > We are subscribed to, in particular, qemu-devel@, and active > maintainers look there too, so receive more than one copy of > many emails. I believe fighting the established convention to copy is futile. I embrace it instead, and make it help me prioritize my reading. Copy me, and I'll at least skim cover letters and other thread-starters to determine whether I need to follow this thread. Don't copy me, and I'll at best glance at the subject in passing. Automatic filing into folders and marking copies so I don't have to mark them read twice helps. The additional traffic is a drop in a bucket. > It is becoming worse. With get_maintainer.pl pulling addresses > of people who made changes or commits to files by default, > contributing to the project becomes a bit dangerous. Because > as a result, once you fix something, you're essentially being > subscribed to a spam list, because other contributors start > Ccing you for the patches with which you have absolutely nothing > to do, and if a discussion emerges, you can't opt out of it > anymore (especially for patches which raise hot discussions). > So I'd rather think twice before contributing anything... That's sad.