From: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
To: Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] printk-rb: add a new printk ringbuffer implementation
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 16:13:48 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ef38cyn7.fsf@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190630140855.GA6005@andrea> (Andrea Parri's message of "Sun, 30 Jun 2019 16:08:55 +0200")
On 2019-06-30, Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com> wrote:
>> The significant events for 2 contexts that are accessing the same
>> addresses of a descriptor are:
>>
>> P0(struct desc *d0)
>> {
>> // adding a new descriptor d0
>>
>> WRITE_ONCE(d0->next, EOL); // C
>> WRITE_ONCE(d0->seq, X); // D
>> cmpxchg_release(newest, Y, indexof(d0)); // E
>> }
>>
>> P1(struct desc *d1)
>> {
>> // adding a new descriptor d1 that comes after d0
>>
>> struct desc *d0;
>> int r0, r1;
>>
>> r0 = READ_ONCE(newest); // A
>> d0 = &array[r0];
>> r1 = READ_ONCE(d0->seq); // B
>> WRITE_ONCE(d0->next, Z); // F
>> }
>>
>> d0 is the same address for P0 and P1. (The values of EOL, X, Y, Z are
>> unrelated and irrelevant.)
>
> (1) If A reads from E, then B reads from D (or from another store
> to ->seq, not reported in the snippet, which overwrites D)
>
> (2) If A reads from E, then F overwrites C
>
> This, IIUC, for the informal descriptions of the (intended) guarantees.
> Back to the pairings in question: AFAICT,
>
> (a) For (1), we rely on the pairing:
>
> RELEASE from D to E (matching) ADDRESS DEP. from A to B
>
> (b) For (2), we rely on the pairing:
>
> RELEASE from C to E (matching) ADDRESS DEP. from A to F
>
> Does this make sense?
Yes. This is what I needed to see.
> IMO (and assuming that what I wrote above makes some sense), (a-b) and
> (1-2) above, together with the associated annotations of the code/ops,
> provide all the desired and necessary information to document MB5.
>
> For readability purposes, it could be nice to also keep the snippet you
> provided above (but let me stress, again, that such a snippet should be
> integrated with additional information as suggested above).
>
> As to "where to insert the memory barrier documentation", I really have
> no suggestion ATM. I guess someone would split it (say, before A and E)
> while others could prefer to keep it within a same inline comment.
Thank you. This is the level of formalization I've been looking for. I
will rework the comments (and naming) and post a v3. It is probably best
for you to wait until then to look at this again. (And after going
through such formal processes, even _I_ am having difficulties
understanding what some of my memory barriers are supposed to be
synchronizing.)
John Ogness
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-07-02 14:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-06-07 16:23 [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] printk: new ringbuffer implementation John Ogness
2019-06-07 16:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] printk-rb: add a new printk " John Ogness
2019-06-18 4:51 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-18 22:12 ` John Ogness
2019-06-25 6:45 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-25 7:15 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-25 8:44 ` John Ogness
2019-06-25 9:06 ` Petr Mladek
2019-06-25 10:03 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-25 12:03 ` John Ogness
2019-06-26 2:08 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-26 7:16 ` John Ogness
2019-06-26 7:45 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-26 7:47 ` Petr Mladek
2019-06-26 7:59 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-25 9:09 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-18 11:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-18 22:18 ` John Ogness
2019-06-18 11:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-18 22:30 ` John Ogness
2019-06-19 10:46 ` Andrea Parri
2019-06-20 22:50 ` John Ogness
2019-06-21 12:16 ` Andrea Parri
2019-06-19 11:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-18 11:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-20 22:23 ` John Ogness
2019-06-26 22:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-26 22:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-28 9:50 ` John Ogness
2019-06-28 15:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-28 16:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-07-01 10:39 ` John Ogness
2019-07-01 14:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-07-01 14:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-29 21:05 ` Andrea Parri
2019-06-30 2:03 ` John Ogness
2019-06-30 14:08 ` Andrea Parri
2019-07-02 14:13 ` John Ogness [this message]
2019-06-26 22:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-21 14:05 ` Petr Mladek
2019-06-24 8:33 ` John Ogness
2019-06-24 14:09 ` Petr Mladek
2019-06-25 13:29 ` John Ogness
2019-06-26 8:29 ` Petr Mladek
2019-06-26 9:09 ` John Ogness
2019-06-26 21:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-06-26 21:43 ` John Ogness
2019-06-27 8:28 ` Petr Mladek
2019-07-04 10:33 ` [PATCH POC] printk_ringbuffer: Alternative implementation of lockless printk ringbuffer Petr Mladek
2019-07-04 14:59 ` John Ogness
2019-07-08 15:23 ` Petr Mladek
2019-07-09 1:34 ` John Ogness
2019-07-09 9:06 ` Petr Mladek
2019-07-09 10:21 ` John Ogness
2019-07-09 11:58 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-14 3:46 ` John Ogness
2019-06-24 13:55 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] printk-rb: add a new printk ringbuffer implementation John Ogness
2019-06-25 8:55 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-06-25 9:19 ` John Ogness
2019-06-07 16:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] printk-rb: add test module John Ogness
2019-06-17 21:09 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] printk: new ringbuffer implementation Thomas Gleixner
2019-06-18 7:15 ` Petr Mladek
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