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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Eric Wong <e@80x24.org>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"brian m . carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] send-email: add an option to impose delay sent E-Mails
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 23:02:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87eff0hdaj.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180814184509.GA16659@dcvr>


On Tue, Aug 14 2018, Eric Wong wrote:

> Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Add a --send-delay option with a corresponding sendemail.smtpSendDelay
>> configuration variable. When set to e.g. 2, this causes send-email to
>> sleep 2 seconds before sending the next E-Mail. We'll only sleep
>> between sends, not before the first send, or after the last.
>>
>> This option has two uses. Firstly, to be able to Ctrl+C a long send
>> with "all" if you have a change of heart. Secondly, as a hack in some
>> mail setups to, with a sufficiently high delay, force the receiving
>> client to sort the E-Mails correctly.
>>
>> Some popular E-Mail clients completely ignore the "Date" header, which
>> format-patch is careful to set such that the patches will be displayed
>> in order, and instead sort by the time the E-mail was received.
>>
>> Google's GMail is a good example of such a client. It ostensibly sorts
>> by some approximation of received time (although not by any "Received"
>> header). It's more usual than not to see patches showing out of order
>> in GMail. To take a few examples of orders seen on patches on the Git
>> mailing list:
>>
>>     1 -> 3 -> 4 -> 2 -> 8 -> 7 (completion by Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy)
>>     2 -> 0 -> 1 -> 3 (pack search by Derrick Stolee)
>>     3 -> 2 -> 1 (fast-import by Jameson Miller)
>>     2 -> 3 -> 1 -> 5 -> 4 -> 6 (diff-highlight by Jeff King)
>>
>> The reason to add the new "X-Mailer-Send-Delay" header is to make it
>> easy to tell what the imposed delay was, if any. This allows for
>> gathering some data on how the transfer of E-Mails with & without this
>> option behaves. This may not be workable without really long delays,
>> see [1] and [2].
>
> Aside from the new header, I think this is better implemented
> using the existing $relogin_delay and $batch_size=1.
>
> Disconnecting during the delay might be more sympathetic to
> existing mail servers (which aren't C10K-optimized).

Yeah that's a good point, maybe we're being wasteful on remote resources
here.

> If the client sleeps, the server may disconnect the client anyways to
> save resources.

Seems like something we'd need to deal with anyway, do we?

>> @@ -1741,6 +1747,10 @@ sub process_file {
>>  		$message, $xfer_encoding, $target_xfer_encoding);
>>  	push @xh, "Content-Transfer-Encoding: $xfer_encoding";
>>  	unshift @xh, 'MIME-Version: 1.0' unless $has_mime_version;
>> +	if ($send_delay && $i > 0) {
>> +		push @xh, "X-Mailer-Send-Delay: $send_delay";
>> +		sleep $send_delay;
>> +	}
>
> We can add this header for relogin_delay + batch_size
>
> But maybe --send-delay can be a shortcut for
> --relogin-delay and --batch-size=1

I need to enter a password when sending a batch with my SMTP server now,
once. With relogin I'd need to enter this N times unless I use whatever
auth save facility there is in git-send-email (which I don't use now).

I don't think it makes sense to conflate these two modes.

      parent reply	other threads:[~2018-08-14 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-25 18:28 [PATCH 0/2] send-email: impose a delay while sending to appease GMail Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-03-25 18:28 ` [PATCH 1/2] send-email: add an option to impose delay sent E-Mails Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-03-25 18:28 ` [PATCH 2/2] send-email: supply a --send-delay=1 by default Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-03-25 21:01   ` brian m. carlson
2018-03-25 22:01     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-03-28  1:26       ` Eric Wong
2018-03-26  1:48     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-03-26  0:11   ` Eric Sunshine
2018-03-26  0:11     ` Eric Sunshine
2018-03-26  1:56     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-03-26  1:56       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-14 18:15 ` [PATCH v2] send-email: add an option to impose delay sent E-Mails Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-08-14 18:39   ` Stefan Beller
2018-08-14 18:45   ` Eric Wong
2018-08-14 19:53     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-14 21:02     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]

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