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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Steve Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org,  John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>,
	 Cleber Rosa <crosa@redhat.com>,  Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
	 Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	 "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <eduardo@habkost.net>,
	 Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>,
	Laurent Vivier <lvivier@redhat.com>,
	devel@lists.libvirt.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH V1 0/6] fast qom tree get
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2025 09:39:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87friheqcp.fsf@pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1741036202-265696-1-git-send-email-steven.sistare@oracle.com> (Steve Sistare's message of "Mon, 3 Mar 2025 13:09:56 -0800")

Hi Steve, I apologize for the slow response.

Steve Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com> writes:

> Using qom-list and qom-get to get all the nodes and property values in a
> QOM tree can take multiple seconds because it requires 1000's of individual
> QOM requests.  Some managers fetch the entire tree or a large subset
> of it when starting a new VM, and this cost is a substantial fraction of
> start up time.

"Some managers"... could you name one?

> To reduce this cost, consider QAPI calls that fetch more information in
> each call:
>   * qom-list-get: given a path, return a list of properties and values.
>   * qom-list-getv: given a list of paths, return a list of properties and
>     values for each path.
>   * qom-tree-get: given a path, return all descendant nodes rooted at that
>     path, with properties and values for each.

Libvirt developers, would you be interested in any of these?

> In all cases, a returned property is represented by ObjectPropertyValue,
> with fields name, type, value, and error.  If an error occurs when reading
> a value, the value field is omitted, and the error message is returned in the
> the error field.  Thus an error for one property will not cause a bulk fetch
> operation to fail.

Returning errors this way is highly unusual.  Observation; I'm not
rejecting this out of hand.  Can you elaborate a bit on why it's useful?

> To evaluate each method, I modified scripts/qmp/qom-tree to use the method,
> verified all methods produce the same output, and timed each using:
>
>   qemu-system-x86_64 -display none \
>     -chardev socket,id=monitor0,path=/tmp/vm1.sock,server=on,wait=off \
>     -mon monitor0,mode=control &
>
>   time qom-tree -s /tmp/vm1.sock > /dev/null

Cool!

> I only measured once per method, but the variation is low after a warm up run.
> The 'real - user - sys' column is a proxy for QEMU CPU time.
>
> method               real(s)   user(s)   sys(s)  (real - user - sys)(s)
> qom-list / qom-get   2.048     0.932     0.057   1.059
> qom-list-get         0.402     0.230     0.029   0.143
> qom-list-getv        0.200     0.132     0.015   0.053
> qom-tree-get         0.143     0.123     0.012   0.008
>
> qom-tree-get is the clear winner, reducing elapsed time by a factor of 14X,
> and reducing QEMU CPU time by 132X.
>
> qom-list-getv is slower when fetching the entire tree, but can beat
> qom-tree-get when only a subset of the tree needs to be fetched (not shown).
>
> qom-list-get is shown for comparison only, and is not included in this series.

If we have qom-list-getv, then qom-list-get is not worth having.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-04-09  7:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-03 21:09 [PATCH V1 0/6] fast qom tree get Steve Sistare
2025-03-03 21:09 ` [PATCH V1 1/6] qom: qom_resolve_path Steve Sistare
2025-05-06 14:25   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-03-03 21:09 ` [PATCH V1 2/6] qom: qom-tree-get Steve Sistare
2025-03-03 21:09 ` [PATCH V1 3/6] python: use qom-tree-get Steve Sistare
2025-03-03 21:10 ` [PATCH V1 4/6] tests/qtest/qom-test: unit test for qom-tree-get Steve Sistare
2025-03-03 21:10 ` [PATCH V1 5/6] qom: qom-list-getv Steve Sistare
2025-03-03 21:10 ` [PATCH V1 6/6] tests/qtest/qom-test: unit test for qom-list-getv Steve Sistare
2025-04-09  7:39 ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2025-04-09  7:58   ` [PATCH V1 0/6] fast qom tree get Peter Krempa
2025-04-11 10:11     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-04-11 10:40       ` Management applications and CPU feature flags (was: [PATCH V1 0/6] fast qom tree get) Markus Armbruster
2025-04-11 10:43         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-04-11 11:43           ` Management applications and CPU feature flags Markus Armbruster
2025-04-11 12:00             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-11 13:23             ` Jiri Denemark
2025-04-11 13:58               ` Cornelia Huck
2025-04-15 11:33                 ` Jiří Denemark
2025-04-09 12:42   ` [PATCH V1 0/6] fast qom tree get Steven Sistare
2025-04-09 13:34     ` Markus Armbruster
2025-04-09 14:06       ` Steven Sistare
2025-04-09 14:44         ` Markus Armbruster
2025-04-09 15:14           ` Steven Sistare
2025-04-10  5:57             ` Markus Armbruster
2025-04-28  8:04     ` Markus Armbruster
2025-04-28 16:18       ` Steven Sistare
2025-04-29  6:02         ` Markus Armbruster
2025-05-02 16:19           ` Steven Sistare

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