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From: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, paulmck@kernel.org,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, mark.rutland@arm.com, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	joel@joelfernandes.org, raghavendra.kt@amd.com,
	sshegde@linux.ibm.com, boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com,
	konrad.wilk@oracle.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 13/35] sched: allow runtime config for PREEMPT_AUTO
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2024 17:46:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87frtnt02l.fsf@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240606173218.GH8774@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>


Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> writes:

> On Thu, Jun 06, 2024 at 08:11:41AM -0700, Ankur Arora wrote:
>>
>> Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> writes:
>>
>> > On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 02:29:45AM -0700, Ankur Arora wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> writes:
>> >>
>> >> > On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 05:34:59PM -0700, Ankur Arora wrote:
>> >> >> Reuse sched_dynamic_update() and related logic to enable choosing
>> >> >> the preemption model at boot or runtime for PREEMPT_AUTO.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The interface is identical to PREEMPT_DYNAMIC.
>> >> >
>> >> > Colour me confused, why?!? What are you doing and why aren't just just
>> >> > adding AUTO to the existing DYNAMIC thing?
>> >>
>> >> You mean have a single __sched_dynamic_update()? AUTO doesn't use any
>> >> of the static_call/static_key stuff so I'm not sure how that would work.
>> >
>> > *sigh*... see the below, seems to work.
>>
>> Sorry, didn't mean for you to have to do all that work to prove the
>> point.
>
> Well, for a large part it was needed for me to figure out what your
> patches were actually doing anyway. Peel away all the layers and this is
> what remains.
>
>> I phrased it badly. I do understand how lazy can be folded in as
>> you do here:
>>
>> > +	case preempt_dynamic_lazy:
>> > +		if (!klp_override)
>> > +			preempt_dynamic_disable(cond_resched);
>> > +		preempt_dynamic_disable(might_resched);
>> > +		preempt_dynamic_enable(preempt_schedule);
>> > +		preempt_dynamic_enable(preempt_schedule_notrace);
>> > +		preempt_dynamic_enable(irqentry_exit_cond_resched);
>> > +		preempt_dynamic_key_enable(preempt_lazy);
>> > +		if (mode != preempt_dynamic_mode)
>> > +			pr_info("Dynamic Preempt: lazy\n");
>> > +		break;
>> >  	}
>>
>> But, if the long term goal (at least as I understand it) is to get rid
>> of cond_resched() -- to allow optimizations that needing to call cond_resched()
>> makes impossible -- does it make sense to pull all of these together?
>
> It certainly doesn't make sense to add yet another configurable thing. We
> have one, so yes add it here.
>
>> Say, eventually preempt_dynamic_lazy and preempt_dynamic_full are the
>> only two models left. Then we will have (modulo figuring out how to
>> switch over klp from cond_resched() to a different unwinding technique):
>>
>> static void __sched_dynamic_update(int mode)
>> {
>>         preempt_dynamic_enable(preempt_schedule);
>>         preempt_dynamic_enable(preempt_schedule_notrace);
>>         preempt_dynamic_enable(irqentry_exit_cond_resched);
>>
>>         switch (mode) {
>>         case preempt_dynamic_full:
>>                 preempt_dynamic_key_disable(preempt_lazy);
>>                 if (mode != preempt_dynamic_mode)
>>                         pr_info("%s: full\n", PREEMPT_MODE);
>>                 break;
>>
>> 	case preempt_dynamic_lazy:
>> 		preempt_dynamic_key_enable(preempt_lazy);
>> 		if (mode != preempt_dynamic_mode)
>> 			pr_info("Dynamic Preempt: lazy\n");
>> 		break;
>>         }
>>
>>         preempt_dynamic_mode = mode;
>> }
>>
>> Which is pretty similar to what the PREEMPT_AUTO code was doing.
>
> Right, but without duplicating all that stuff in the interim.

Yeah, that makes sense. Joel had suggested something on these lines
earlier [1], to which I was resistant.

However, the duplication (and the fact that the voluntary model
was quite thin) should have told me that (AUTO, preempt=voluntary)
should just be folded under PREEMPT_DYNAMIC.

I'll rework the series to do that.

That should also simplify RCU related choices which I think Paul will
like. Given that the lazy model is meant to eventually replace
none/voluntary, so PREEMPT_RCU configuration can just be:

--- a/kernel/rcu/Kconfig
+++ b/kernel/rcu/Kconfig
@@ -18,7 +18,7 @@ config TREE_RCU

 config PREEMPT_RCU
        bool
-       default y if PREEMPTION
+       default y if PREEMPTION && !PREEMPT_LAZY


Or, maybe we should instead have this:

--- a/kernel/rcu/Kconfig
+++ b/kernel/rcu/Kconfig
@@ -18,7 +18,7 @@ config TREE_RCU

 config PREEMPT_RCU
        bool
-       default y if PREEMPTION
+       default y if PREEMPT || PREEMPT_RT
        select TREE_RCU

Though this would be a change in behaviour for current PREEMPT_DYNAMIC
users.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/fd48ea5c-bc74-4914-a621-d12c9741c014@joelfernandes.org/

Thanks
--
ankur

  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-09  0:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-28  0:34 [PATCH v2 00/35] PREEMPT_AUTO: support lazy rescheduling Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:34 ` [PATCH v2 01/35] sched/core: Move preempt_model_*() helpers from sched.h to preempt.h Ankur Arora
2024-06-06 17:45   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Sean Christopherson
2024-05-28  0:34 ` [PATCH v2 02/35] sched/core: Drop spinlocks on contention iff kernel is preemptible Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:34 ` [PATCH v2 03/35] sched: make test_*_tsk_thread_flag() return bool Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:34 ` [PATCH v2 04/35] preempt: introduce CONFIG_PREEMPT_AUTO Ankur Arora
2024-06-03 15:04   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-06-04 17:52     ` Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:34 ` [PATCH v2 05/35] thread_info: selector for TIF_NEED_RESCHED[_LAZY] Ankur Arora
2024-05-28 15:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-30  9:07     ` Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:34 ` [PATCH v2 06/35] thread_info: define __tif_need_resched(resched_t) Ankur Arora
2024-05-28 16:03   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-28  0:34 ` [PATCH v2 07/35] sched: define *_tsk_need_resched_lazy() helpers Ankur Arora
2024-05-28 16:09   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-30  9:02     ` Ankur Arora
2024-05-29  8:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-30  9:08     ` Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:34 ` [PATCH v2 08/35] entry: handle lazy rescheduling at user-exit Ankur Arora
2024-05-28 16:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-28  0:34 ` [PATCH v2 09/35] entry/kvm: handle lazy rescheduling at guest-entry Ankur Arora
2024-05-28 16:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-30  9:04     ` Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:34 ` [PATCH v2 10/35] entry: irqentry_exit only preempts for TIF_NEED_RESCHED Ankur Arora
2024-05-28 16:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-30  9:03     ` Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:34 ` [PATCH v2 11/35] sched: __schedule_loop() doesn't need to check for need_resched_lazy() Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:34 ` [PATCH v2 12/35] sched: separate PREEMPT_DYNAMIC config logic Ankur Arora
2024-05-28 16:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-30  9:30     ` Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:34 ` [PATCH v2 13/35] sched: allow runtime config for PREEMPT_AUTO Ankur Arora
2024-05-28 16:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-30  9:29     ` Ankur Arora
2024-06-06 11:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-06 15:11         ` Ankur Arora
2024-06-06 17:32           ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-09  0:46             ` Ankur Arora [this message]
2024-06-12 18:10               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 14/35] rcu: limit PREEMPT_RCU to full preemption under PREEMPT_AUTO Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 15/35] rcu: fix header guard for rcu_all_qs() Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 16/35] preempt,rcu: warn on PREEMPT_RCU=n, preempt=full Ankur Arora
2024-05-29  8:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-30 18:32     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-30 23:05       ` Ankur Arora
2024-05-30 23:15         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-30 23:04     ` Ankur Arora
2024-05-30 23:20       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-06 11:53         ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-06-06 13:38           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-17 15:54             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-18 16:29               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 17/35] rcu: handle quiescent states for PREEMPT_RCU=n, PREEMPT_COUNT=y Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 18/35] rcu: force context-switch " Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 19/35] x86/thread_info: define TIF_NEED_RESCHED_LAZY Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 20/35] powerpc: add support for PREEMPT_AUTO Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 21/35] sched: prepare for lazy rescheduling in resched_curr() Ankur Arora
2024-05-29  9:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 22/35] sched: default preemption policy for PREEMPT_AUTO Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 23/35] sched: handle idle preemption " Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 24/35] sched: schedule eagerly in resched_cpu() Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 25/35] sched/fair: refactor update_curr(), entity_tick() Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 26/35] sched/fair: handle tick expiry under lazy preemption Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 27/35] sched: support preempt=none under PREEMPT_AUTO Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 28/35] sched: support preempt=full " Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 29/35] sched: handle preempt=voluntary " Ankur Arora
2024-06-17  3:20   ` Tianchen Ding
2024-06-21 18:58     ` Ankur Arora
2024-06-24  2:35       ` Tianchen Ding
2024-06-25  1:12         ` Ankur Arora
2024-06-26  2:43           ` Tianchen Ding
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 30/35] sched: latency warn for TIF_NEED_RESCHED_LAZY Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 31/35] tracing: support lazy resched Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 32/35] Documentation: tracing: add TIF_NEED_RESCHED_LAZY Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 33/35] osnoise: handle quiescent states for PREEMPT_RCU=n, PREEMPTION=y Ankur Arora
2024-05-28 13:12   ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 34/35] kconfig: decompose ARCH_NO_PREEMPT Ankur Arora
2024-05-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 35/35] arch: " Ankur Arora
2024-05-29  6:16 ` [PATCH v2 00/35] PREEMPT_AUTO: support lazy rescheduling Shrikanth Hegde
2024-06-01 11:47   ` Ankur Arora
2024-06-04  7:32     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-06-07 16:48       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-06-10  7:23         ` Ankur Arora
2024-06-15 15:04           ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-06-18 18:27             ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-06-19  2:40               ` Ankur Arora
2024-06-24 18:37                 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-06-27  2:50                   ` Ankur Arora
2024-06-27  5:56                     ` Michael Ellerman
2024-06-27 15:44                       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-07-03  5:27                         ` Ankur Arora
2024-08-12 17:32                           ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-08-12 21:07                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-13  5:40                               ` Ankur Arora
2024-06-05 15:44 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-05 17:45   ` Peter Zijlstra

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