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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: lvivier@redhat.com, thuth@redhat.com,
	Peter Krempa <pkrempa@redhat.com>,
	ehabkost@redhat.com, qemu-block@nongnu.org,
	libvir-list@redhat.com, jasowang@redhat.com,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kraxel@redhat.com,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	mreitz@redhat.com, dgilbert@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/30] qapi/qom: QAPIfy --object and object-add
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 11:38:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ft12q8kf.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210310173044.GF6076@merkur.fritz.box> (Kevin Wolf's message of "Wed, 10 Mar 2021 18:30:44 +0100")

Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> writes:

> Am 10.03.2021 um 15:31 hat Paolo Bonzini geschrieben:
>> On 10/03/21 15:22, Peter Krempa wrote:
>> > I've stumbled upon a regression with this patchset applied:
>> > 
>> > error: internal error: process exited while connecting to monitor: qemu-system-x86_64: -object memory-backend-ram,id=pc.ram,size=1048576000,host-nodes=0,policy=bind: Invalid parameter type for 'host-nodes', expected: array
>> 
>> This is the magic conversion of "string containing a list of integers"
>> to "list of integers".
>
> Ah, crap. This one wouldn't have been a problem when converting only
> object-add, and I trusted your audit that user creatable objects don't
> depend on any QemuOpts magic. I should have noticed it, too, of course,
> but during the convertion I didn't have QemuOpts in mind, only QOM and
> QAPI.
>
> I checked all object types, and it seems this is the only one that is
> affected. We have a second list in AuthZListProperties, but it contains
> structs, so it was never supported on the command line anyway.
>
>> The relevant code is in qapi/string-input-visitor.c, but I'm not sure where
>> to stick it in the keyval-based parsing flow (i.e.
>> qobject_input_visitor_new_keyval).  Markus, any ideas?
>
> The best I can think of at the moment would be adding a flag to the
> keyval parser that would enable the feature only for -object (and only
> in the system emulator, because memory-backend-ram doesn't exist in the
> tools):
>
> The keyval parser would create a list if multiple values are given for
> the same key. Some care needs to be taken to avoid mixing the magic
> list feature with the normal indexed list options.

You're cursing^Wtalking about the wrong list hack, I'm afraid.

QemuOpts can indeed be used in a way so that key=val1,key=val2,... get
collected into a list val1, val2, ...  For an example, see how
qemu_semihosting_config_opts() processes the option argument of
-semihosting: repeated arg=... get collected in array
semihosting.argv[].

QOM property "host-nodes" employs a different hack.  The QAPI schema
defines it as

    { 'struct': 'Memdev',
      'data': {
        ...
        'host-nodes': ['uint16'],
        ... }}

The QObject input visitor treats it like any other list.  To get node 0
and 4, you say

    "host-nodes": [0,4]

with its JSON flavor, and

    host-nodes.0=0,host-nodes.1=4

with its dotted keys flavor.

The string input visitor and the opts visitor only support *scalar*
values, *except* they both have a hack to support lists of small
integers.

With the opts visitor, saying

    host-nodes=0,host-nodes=4

gets you node 0 and 4, and both

    host-nodes=0,host-nodes=1
    host-nodes=0-1

gets you nodes 0 and 1.  This is what parses -object.

Setting NumaNode member @cpus via -numa cpus=... is another user of this
hack.

With the string input visitor, repeating the key doesn't work (there is
no syntax for keys, in fact), but comma does.  This is what parses
-global and HMP qom-set.

The problem Peter reported is that switching -object from QemuOpts +
opts visitor to keyval_parse() + QObject input visitor loses the opts
visitor's list-of-integers hack.

The obvious solution is to transplant the hack to the QObject input
visitor.  "Ich kann nicht soviel fressen wie ich kotzen möchte" (okay, I
better don't translate this; all you need to know is that I find the
idea utterly disgusting).

There is the more general problem of human-friendly syntax support.
QAPI/QMP eschew encoding complex data in strings.  They want you to use
complex data types.

Fine for QMP, machines are generally better off with formatting /
parsing verbose JSON than with formatting / parsing lots of ad hoc
little languages.

Not always fine for humans.  Case in point:
host-nodes.0=0,host-nodes.1=4 is decidedly inferior to something like
host-nodes=0+4[*].

Perhaps we need to provide means to define ad hoc little languages for
human use.  Specify the parsing function to use for human input in the
QAPI schema.

Doesn't really help us now, because we can't pull it off in time for the
soft freeze.

Here's a differently terrible hack.  We have

         keyval_parse()       visitor
    optarg --------> QObject --------> QAPI type

Idea: hack the QObject.  If we're working for -object, and QObject maps
key "qom-type" to value "memory-backend-ram", get the value of
host-nodes, and if it's a string, parse it into a list like the opts
visitor does, and put that back, replacing the string value.

Same for other uses of Memdev and NumaNodeOptions with -object, if they
exist.

I told you it's terrible :)

[...]


[*] 0+4 and not 0,4 because ',' would have to be doubled in dotted key
syntax.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-03-11 10:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-08 16:54 [PATCH v3 00/30] qapi/qom: QAPIfy --object and object-add Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 01/30] qapi/qom: Drop deprecated 'props' from object-add Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 02/30] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for iothread Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 03/30] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for authz-* Kevin Wolf
2021-03-09  9:17   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 04/30] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for cryptodev-* Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 19:23   ` Eric Blake
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 05/30] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for dbus-vmstate Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 06/30] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for memory-backend-* Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 19:25   ` Eric Blake
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 07/30] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for rng-*, deprecate 'opened' Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 08/30] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for throttle-group Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 09/30] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for secret*, deprecate 'loaded' Kevin Wolf
2021-03-09  9:21   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 10/30] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for tls-*, " Kevin Wolf
2021-03-09  9:23   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 11/30] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for can-* Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 12/30] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for colo-compare Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 13/30] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for filter-* Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 14/30] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for pr-manager-helper Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 15/30] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for confidential-guest-support Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 16/30] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for input-* Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 17/30] qapi/qom: Add ObjectOptions for x-remote-object Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 18/30] qapi/qom: QAPIfy object-add Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 19/30] qom: Make "object" QemuOptsList optional Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 20/30] qemu-storage-daemon: Implement --object with qmp_object_add() Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 21/30] qom: Remove user_creatable_add_dict() Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 22/30] qom: Factor out user_creatable_process_cmdline() Kevin Wolf
2021-03-13  8:41   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-13  9:28     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-15 11:48     ` Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 23/30] qemu-io: Use user_creatable_process_cmdline() for --object Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 24/30] qemu-nbd: " Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 25/30] qom: Add user_creatable_add_from_str() Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 26/30] qemu-img: Use user_creatable_process_cmdline() for --object Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 19:32   ` Eric Blake
2021-03-13  7:40   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-13  7:47     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-13 12:30       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-15 11:38         ` Kevin Wolf
2021-03-15 14:15           ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-15 14:43             ` Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 27/30] hmp: QAPIfy object_add Kevin Wolf
2021-03-13 13:28   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-13 14:11     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-15  9:39       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-15 11:09         ` Kevin Wolf
2021-03-15 11:38           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-03-15 11:58             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 28/30] qom: Add user_creatable_parse_str() Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 29/30] vl: QAPIfy -object Kevin Wolf
2021-03-08 19:34   ` Eric Blake
2021-03-08 16:54 ` [PATCH v3 30/30] qom: Drop QemuOpts based interfaces Kevin Wolf
2021-03-10 14:22 ` [PATCH v3 00/30] qapi/qom: QAPIfy --object and object-add Peter Krempa
2021-03-10 14:31   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-10 14:48     ` Peter Krempa
2021-03-10 17:30     ` Kevin Wolf
2021-03-11  7:47       ` Peter Krempa
2021-03-11  8:16         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-11  8:37         ` Kevin Wolf
2021-03-11 11:24           ` Peter Krempa
2021-03-11 11:41             ` Kevin Wolf
2021-03-11 12:29               ` Peter Krempa
2021-03-11 14:01               ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-11  8:14       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-11  8:45         ` Kevin Wolf
2021-03-11  8:49           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-11 10:38       ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2021-03-11 11:00         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-11 14:08           ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-11 17:50             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-12  8:14               ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-12  8:46                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-12  8:52                   ` Peter Krempa
2021-03-13 13:40                 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-15 11:36                   ` Kevin Wolf
2021-03-15 15:26                     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-15 15:52                       ` Kevin Wolf

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