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Fri, 7 Aug 2020 13:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by blackfin.pond.sub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5D5DB1132801; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 15:55:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Markus Armbruster To: Paolo Bonzini Subject: Re: [DRAFT PATCH 000/143] Meson integration for 5.2 References: <1596741379-12902-1-git-send-email-pbonzini@redhat.com> <87364y28jp.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> <9d7b7f59-ec3e-1f74-d1d4-359e3388f0f8@redhat.com> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2020 15:55:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: <9d7b7f59-ec3e-1f74-d1d4-359e3388f0f8@redhat.com> (Paolo Bonzini's message of "Fri, 7 Aug 2020 10:39:47 +0200") Message-ID: <87ft8yd0ht.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.16 Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=armbru@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.139.110.61; envelope-from=armbru@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-1.mimecast.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/07 02:53:14 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -40 X-Spam_score: -4.1 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: peter.maydell@linaro.org, berrange@redhat.com, philmd@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, jsnow@redhat.com, stefanha@redhat.com, alex.bennee@linaro.org Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" Paolo Bonzini writes: > On 07/08/20 09:56, Markus Armbruster wrote: >> Paolo Bonzini writes: >> >>> This the more or less final version of the Meson conversion. Due to >>> the sheer size of the series you have been CCed only on the cover >>> letter. >> >> Perfect timing: right before I drop off for two weeks of vacation. I'm >> excused! *Maniacal laughter* >> >> Have you run it through our CI? > > Of course not. O:-) > >> without even more weeks of intense rebasing. > > FWIW there were only three hard rebases from 5.0 to 5.2: > qemu-storage-daemon (by far the hardest), linux-user's syscall_nr.h > generation, and fuzzing (easiest except it required conversion of qtest). S > > I would like to merge this on August 21st. I hope to post a > "definitive" verion on August 14th, and hope to work with Peter the next > week on getting it to pass his tests. Sounds good to me. > Perhaps that's optimistic though. If it's not ready then, we pick another date and try again. > Depending on when it's ready, I can pick up the series that gets rid of > Texinfo, if Peter and yourself don't want to learn Meson just for that. I appreciate the offer. I figure I'll eventually have to learn some Meson anyway. Still, having to learn it *now* to unblock that series may be inconvenient. > Anyway, I think this is the no-return point: if people say no, I'm not > going to push it any further. If people say yes, we'd better merge it > quickly and be done with it. > > I do understand resistance. It's a new tool replacing a 40-year-old > standard; build systems are not fancy; and there is a substantial sunken > cost. All I can answer is that the line between sunken cost and > Stockholm syndrome is a fine one. I cannot say this stuff has been > *fun*, but at least the debugging was refreshing compared to Makefiles. > Again not a very high bar, but it's something. I'm willing to trust your judgement on this one. I'm notoriously conservative in my choice of tools, and GNU Make is a much better tool than some people give it credit for, but I've long felt we've pushed it beyond its limits. [...]