From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 600D6415F15 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2026 14:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=140.211.166.183 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1785765824; cv=none; b=e1yANc0oH0JNBw1Vg8FMlcuE3umnA0BEP8F1ReG/FgvNTnzwZ5WSBi/BsLUy4Emx+eJWsgTCWGT/v3viMJfN+MRqeCtP5xU1F7z6f7jUAOABRmIHpap5QhXGVUbkxB6Px1TAg64rJYYjk3ywKVus9UXXKsr2XTmQiBepiVcIaSI= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1785765824; c=relaxed/simple; bh=HOdxVsGuZWzxyOT1YKZGmyfP/FBRrhzRPB3PW7uOhxA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CnMNn94xscKOaPe0IFWBxTr7l+PQGbThdjsNXhGqv0dsniGl3s0YslA2dLhzl5jepZ6tyDcUxGaCbhVY674L9n2abzkQxNEulnNBbFWRlEqE5vlJl3dJjI7zcK3WA0EmIGJUSeS9CdA0VNYdQcgp1ILYkHG3gT0YicKnI7Mqu8U= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=gentoo.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gentoo.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=140.211.166.183 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=gentoo.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gentoo.org Received: from mop.sam.mop (c.1.a.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.a.5.c.d.c.d.9.1.0.b.8.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa [IPv6:2001:8b0:19dc:dc5a::a1c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange x25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: sam) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EC0CE3415F9; Mon, 03 Aug 2026 14:03:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Sam James To: Alejandro Colomar Cc: Collin Funk , "G. Branden Robinson" , Arsen =?utf-8?Q?Arsenovi=C4=87?= , "Maciej W. Rozycki" , Paul Eggert , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org Subject: Re: the Linux man-pages as an educational tool In-Reply-To: Organization: Gentoo References: <20260802000833.zpu27l7ibvrbouna@illithid> <87cxw1s58a.fsf@gmail.com> <87ik5sunm7.fsf@aarsen.me> <20260802231058.o7gud4bd7co2nbhv@illithid> <875x1sp0h2.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: mu4e 1.14.2; emacs 31.0.91 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2026 15:03:30 +0100 Message-ID: <87h5lb9u8d.fsf@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alejandro Colomar writes: > Hi Collin, > >> Date: 2026-08-02 16:27:21-0700 >> From: Collin Funk >> > [...] >>=20 >> I can't help but wonder of what happens in WG 14 rejects this >> controversial, as obvious by this thread, change. Will the man-pages >> changes be reverted? Or will we slowly watch them document personal >> preferences instead of existing standards? > > This patch set is quite independent of the standard. It documents a > header file that has been provided since forever in glibc and most other > POSIX-ish systems, so changes to the standard are unlikely to have any > effects. I've clarified this extensively. If you want to discourage me > from applying the change, you should rather bring up technical reasons. > > This passive-aggressive message is not something that will have the > desired effects you could possibly reach with technical arguments. I didn't read it as passive-aggressive, but I will say that I think you've gone a bit hard in the responses to Collin in this subthread, and I think the fact you sent several followup emails to yourself indicates perhaps things got heated in the moment. I think Collin was making the same conflict of interest point as was raised earlier, just in a different way. You may or may not agree with how he phrased it, and you're free to challenge that, but my reading of your replies is that it went a bit far. > > > Have a lovely night, please! > Alex > >> After seeing weekly threads >> about the prototype changes, I don't think it is an unreasonable >> concern. >>=20 >> Collin >>=20 sam --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEBBAEWCgCpFiEEJaa7iN2bdkxrVUHCc4QJ9SDfkZAFAmpwn7IbFIAAAAAABAAO bWFudTIsMi41KzEuMTIsMiwyXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25z Lm9wZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQyNUE2QkI4OEREOUI3NjRDNkI1NTQx QzI3Mzg0MDlGNTIwREY5MTkwDxxzYW1AZ2VudG9vLm9yZwAKCRBzhAn1IN+RkIVF AQD0N9CqGCkocyAUl9MAGLhJW85bPRpUQNtMdEuyfsRH7wD/bTaMUA1NoyesD63D EjgXDEyZkZnX359eYzkM2x7LWwc= =EHug -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--