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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: hpa@zytor.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 5/9] x86/ioport: Reduce ioperm impact for sane usage further
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 10:45:09 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h83fd4a2.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191107125638.GB15642@1wt.eu> (Willy Tarreau's message of "Thu, 7 Nov 2019 13:56:38 +0100")

Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> writes:

> On Thu, Nov 07, 2019 at 02:50:20AM -0800, hpa@zytor.com wrote:
>> You get access to the ports you are assigned, just like pages you are
>> assigned... the rest is kernel policy, or, for that matter, privileged
>> userspace (get permissions to the necessary ports, then drop privilege... the
>> usual stuff.)
>
> I agree, my point is that there's already no policy checking at the
> moment ports are assigned, hence a process having the permissions to
> request just port 0x70-0x71 to read the hwclock will also have permission
> to request access to the sensor chip a 0x2E and trigger a watchdog
> reset or stop the CPU fan. Thus any policy enforcement is solely done
> by the requesting process itself, assuming it doesn't simply use iopl()
> already, which grants everything.
>
> This is why I'm really wondering if the real use cases that need all
> this stuff still exist at all in practice.

My memory is that the applications that didn't need fine grain access to
ports would just use iopl.

Further a quick look shows that dosemu uses ioperm in a fine grained
manner.  From memory it would allow a handful of ports to allow directly
accessing a device and depended on the rest of the port accesses to be
disallowed so it could trap and emulate them.

So yes I do believe making ioperm ioperm(all) will break userspace.

Eric


  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-07 16:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-06 19:34 [patch 0/9] x86/iopl: Prevent user space from using CLI/STI with iopl(3) Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 1/9] x86/ptrace: Prevent truncation of bitmap size Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07  7:31   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 2/9] x86/process: Unify copy_thread_tls() Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-08 22:31   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-08 23:43     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-10 12:36       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-10 16:56         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-11  8:52           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 3/9] x86/cpu: Unify cpu_init() Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-08 22:34   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-11  4:22   ` kbuild test robot
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 4/9] x86/io: Speedup schedule out of I/O bitmap user Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07  9:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-07 14:04     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07 14:08       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-08 22:41         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-08 23:45           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-09  3:32             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-10 12:43               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-09  0:24   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-09  1:18   ` kbuild test robot
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 5/9] x86/ioport: Reduce ioperm impact for sane usage further Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07  1:11   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-11-07  7:44     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07  8:25     ` Ingo Molnar
2019-11-07  9:17       ` Willy Tarreau
2019-11-07 10:00         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07 10:13           ` Willy Tarreau
2019-11-07 10:19           ` hpa
2019-11-07 10:27             ` Willy Tarreau
2019-11-07 10:50               ` hpa
2019-11-07 12:56                 ` Willy Tarreau
2019-11-07 16:45                   ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2019-11-07 16:53                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-11-07 16:57                     ` Willy Tarreau
2019-11-10 17:17       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-07  7:37   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-11-07  7:45     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07  8:16   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-11-07 18:02     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07 19:24   ` Brian Gerst
2019-11-07 19:54     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-11-07 21:00       ` Brian Gerst
2019-11-07 21:32         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07 23:20           ` hpa
2019-11-07 21:44         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-11-08  1:12           ` H. Peter Anvin
2019-11-08  2:12             ` Brian Gerst
2019-11-10 17:21           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 6/9] x86/iopl: Fixup misleading comment Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 7/9] x86/iopl: Restrict iopl() permission scope Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07  9:09   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-10 17:26   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-10 20:31     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-10 21:05       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-11-10 21:21         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-11  4:27   ` kbuild test robot
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 8/9] x86/iopl: Remove legacy IOPL option Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07  6:11   ` Jürgen Groß
2019-11-07  6:26     ` hpa
2019-11-07 16:44     ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-11-07  9:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-11-06 19:35 ` [patch 9/9] selftests/x86/iopl: Verify that CLI/STI result in #GP Thomas Gleixner
2019-11-07  7:28 ` [patch] x86/iopl: Remove unused local variable, update comments in ksys_ioperm() Ingo Molnar

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