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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Cc: Michael Roth <mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Rethinking missed tick catchup
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:50:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87har1orbl.fsf@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5051FE85.6070904@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> writes:

> On 09/13/2012 05:42 PM, Eric Blake wrote:
>> On 09/13/2012 08:34 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> On 09/13/2012 05:22 PM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's much easier for us to call into qemu-ga to do the time correction
>>>>> whenever this event occurs than to try and have libvirt figure out when
>>>>> it's necessary.
>>> 
>>>> And if guest does not have qemu-ga what is better inject interrupts like
>>>> crazy for next 2 minutes or leave guest with incorrect time?
>>> 
>>> We can try to S3 and resume the guest.  The guest will assume that it
>>> has slept for an unknown amount of time and resync from the RTC.
>> 
>> Just restating to make sure I'm clear: you are proposing that after host
>> suspend and host wakeup, _then_ qemu asks the guest to go into S3
>> followed by an immediate resume.  During the time that the guest goes
>> into S3, its clock is way off; but then the immediate resume will be the
>> necessary kick to the guest to resync, and at that point, the guest can
>> assume that it has been off since the host originally suspended (rather
>> than the instant window where qemu actually bounced S3 after the host
>> had already resumed).
>
> Correct.  In theory we can shut down networking while this is happening
> so the guest can't tell it's in a time machine.
>
>> 
>>> This may not work for really old server oriented guests.
>> 
>> S3 requires guest cooperation, period.  But so does qemu-ga.  It's
>> better than nothing, and we can't get perfection without guest cooperation.
>
> qemu-ga requires either an admin/tool to install qemu-ga, or for qemu-ga
> to be preinstalled by the OS vendor.  S3 requires S3 support to be
> provided by the host vendor, and for it to be functional.  A
> significantly easier bar to clear.

We can easily generate an ISO that includes a pre-built version of
qemu-ga.

Plus, there's a whole variety of other features enabled once we can
assume qemu-ga is available.  It's worth solving that problem.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
>
> -- 
> error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2012-09-13 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-12 13:54 [Qemu-devel] Rethinking missed tick catchup Anthony Liguori
2012-09-12 14:21 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-09-12 14:44   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-12 14:50     ` Jan Kiszka
2012-09-12 15:06     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 15:42       ` Jan Kiszka
2012-09-12 15:45         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 16:16       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 15:15 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 18:19   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 10:49     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 13:14       ` Eric Blake
2012-09-13 13:28         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-09-13 14:06           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 14:22             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 14:34               ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 14:42                 ` Eric Blake
2012-09-13 15:40                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 15:50                     ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2012-09-13 15:53                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 18:27                         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-16 10:05                           ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-16 14:37                             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-19 15:34                               ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-19 16:37                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-19 16:44                                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-19 16:55                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-19 16:57                                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 14:35               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 14:48                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 15:51                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 15:56                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 16:06                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 18:33                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 18:56                         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 20:06                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 16:08                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 13:47         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 16:27 ` Stefan Weil
2012-09-12 16:45   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 17:30     ` Stefan Weil
2012-09-12 18:13       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 19:45         ` Stefan Weil
2012-09-13 10:50           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 20:06       ` Michael Roth
2012-09-12 17:23 ` Luiz Capitulino
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-09-12 18:03 Clemens Kolbitsch
2012-09-13  6:25 ` Paolo Bonzini

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