From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE332C433EF for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:46880 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mx9W9-0004bz-NQ for qemu-devel@archiver.kernel.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:15:01 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50412) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mx9Tu-0002Y0-Ql for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:12:42 -0500 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com ([170.10.129.124]:49820) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mx9Tt-0002uI-AJ for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:12:42 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1639494760; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=EvdXRc+rOFm3yqp0Ylw0/O1/vkSv22zLKuNOlLWn4kA=; b=geBxv4M0uW9cSf3v6n7RZnZ9Tmx0Xi1PCzsN+GU0Hs56zQGIh6Vz2tKHa5shNTt37bD5+f tmj0bsHYaxtGphjj99wVva33wU5y5k3CYubsBXznkEPlJb9lIrCTYm8eaf9ikeQm9wVVSY SmmT0+HL96B6yERir6oEwqGXMk+Oj8I= Received: from mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (mimecast-mx01.redhat.com [209.132.183.4]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-179-of1a1yGXPhCtpl-Xtpd56w-1; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:12:33 -0500 X-MC-Unique: of1a1yGXPhCtpl-Xtpd56w-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx07.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC75C190B2A1; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blackfin.pond.sub.org (ovpn-112-2.ams2.redhat.com [10.36.112.2]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78EF9100EBB8; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by blackfin.pond.sub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0621E113865F; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 16:12:30 +0100 (CET) From: Markus Armbruster To: Daniel P. =?utf-8?Q?Berrang=C3=A9?= Subject: Re: Redesign of QEMU startup & initial configuration References: <87ilvszg52.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> <9AF99888-A4BF-4459-92C1-71E5B76A2C79@greensocs.com> <4AED38B2-E2DD-46F7-93AA-622D5F6BB570@greensocs.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 16:12:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: ("Daniel P. =?utf-8?Q?Berrang?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9=22's?= message of "Tue, 14 Dec 2021 14:56:05 +0000") Message-ID: <87ilvrp6ea.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.5.11.22 Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=armbru@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=170.10.129.124; envelope-from=armbru@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-Spam_score_int: -34 X-Spam_score: -3.5 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.716, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Damien Hedde , "Edgar E. Iglesias" , Mark Burton , "qemu-devel@nongnu.org Developers" , Mirela Grujic , =?utf-8?Q?M?= =?utf-8?Q?arc-Andr=C3=A9?= Lureau , Paolo Bonzini Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" Daniel P. Berrang=C3=A9 writes: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 03:42:52PM +0100, Mark Burton wrote: >> I think we=E2=80=99re talking at cross purposes, and probably we agree (= not sure). I=E2=80=99ll top quote to try and explain my point of view. >>=20 >> I think there are two discussions being mixed: >> 1/ A discussion about improving the CLI. (Having a new one, etc etc) >> 2/ A discussion about supporting a low level, and complete, API that can= be used by =E2=80=9Cmanagement layers=E2=80=9D (QAPI). >>=20 >> I think this also gets mixed up with the discussion on migrating the CLI= to use the low level API. >>=20 >> I want to focus on the low level API.=20 >>=20 >> I dont see why we=E2=80=99re discussing a =E2=80=98high level=E2=80=99 t= hing when, for now, we have to support the CLI, and we have work to do on Q= API. > > We're discussing both because we're setting out what our end goal is > to be, and that end goal should be expected to cover both use cases. > >> If somebody wants to build a new CLI, with a new =E2=80=98high level=E2= =80=99 >> interface, using QAPI - let them! > > This is too weak of a statement, as it implies that a replacement > high level interface is optional and not important for the overall > project. I don't believe that to be the case, so I'm saying that > our design & impl plan has to demonstrate how we intend to cover > both deliverables or use cases. We can't simply ignore the high > level API saying it is someone else's problem to worry about. Seconded.